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You shouldn't jump on JRBhunter like that, he is just trying to state his opinions like all of us on this thread. Weather you agree or not!!

Now for a serious question, earlier in this thread there was talk about Deer running for it on ice. Now, do you think that the coyotes control where the Deer run or do the Deer see an opening or flat land as they think it is and think " I can toast these guys on flat land" I have my theory but want to know what ya'll think.

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i too have seen yotes int he lone and in large groups. they don't seem to effect our deer herd here in the deep south as much as they do for ya'll. they do greatly effect our beef market. yotes are hell on calves during calving season. one of my favorite spots to hunt is near a well used yote den. i have not found the den (not high on my list of things to find) yet but every year i hear the pups howling. especially when there is a distant siren of a passing emergency vehicle.

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When a deer feels it is beingtargeted by any type of K-9 it's first instinct is to put some ground between them and the short legged adversary. Domestic dogs will continue to trail... making a day of "Cat & Mouse". I've watched deers hearts explode during an extensivedomestic K-9 chase. Numerous times. (We also raise whitetails in captivity) Coyotes quickly realize the target is healthy and back off... no need in burning any more energy on a deer wearing jet packs. It's just a matter of calorie intake versus energy output.However- if 10 deer take off and one hobbles on a broken leg, the chase may be on. Open ground means speed- ice means instability- both are advantages for a healthy whitetail.

Sorry alsagr, not a resident and hardly an expert. I just spend a little too much time studying and hunting coyotes and whitetailsto buy into certain theories. Most of the research papers I have obtained from the USDA and local colleges are based on coyote studies performed in the Northeast. The rest of the papers were developed in the SW, and I spend a couple hundred days a year chasing Midwest coyotes. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

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I think you missed alot somewhere along the line. Here coyotes follow deer around ( not in chase ) until they are herded up. When the rest of the pack follows up they circle the yarded up deer. 1 will go into the yard and drive the others out. Then the other coyotes pursue trying to make a kill, as the deer make a brake for it. If you have never seen or heard about it in your area that is not my fault. But, here in the Northeast it is normal coyote tacticts. As you can tell from that photo they are not always sick and weak deer either.

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Can you show me a photo of a deer running on ice? We have never seen a deer running on bare ice as they can't run on it at all. That is the biggest problem we have!

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How fast can a whitetail run? I know a coyote can do 45 for a half hour.

Around here it has been a long long time since I have seen a Deer taken down by coyotes, and in all the coyotes poopies that I see, 8 out of 10 times it does not contain Deer Hair. In this area I think that coyotes get blamed for killing more Deer than they actually do!! Again, there are times when a hunter shoots a Deer and gets a runner only to find it a couple hours later or the next morning and it was gobbled up by coyotes.

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How do you know that?

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I know that because I know the Owner of Wildlife technologies and he has spent millions in filming coyotes and other animals and capturing all types of animal vocalizations from around the world.

He Films in HD and then sells his films to major companies like MGM, Discovery channel and stuff like that.

He has a coyote video out along with a Moose video, there is another coyote video in the works right now. He let me see a teaser of it last time I was at his house, it will be like no other video out.

He also makes the best sounding E-caller available today.

check it out for your self www.wildlifetech.com

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Well, that's great that you know somebody, but I would bet my millions against his millions that a coyote can't run 22 1/2 miles in 30 minutes.