40s&w
 

looking to start loading for my 40...

came across Rainer Ballistics copper plated bullets...price is about half of true copper jacketed bullets...

i dont wanna fire lead due to fouling and shooting and handling lead...

looking for something that will work fine for training and punchin paper...

are these bullets a good answer for cheap bullets that wont foul like lead?? i understand they arent copper jacketed and wont hold up...but i just need them to put holes in paper...

any info??


also, what powder is a good powder for the 40 shooting 165-180s??

thanx alot

semi auto? i am understanding you can use the brass twice...once brand new, and one reload..

i shot reloads on accident,
bought them at the range and they reload and put them in the empty boxes that people leave behind....
any ways...one exploded inside my glock, it felt like a fire cracker went off in my hand, the brass was cracked and jammed the next round up...after i cleared that i had to pull the brass out with needle nose pliers..

i'll never shoot a reload in any of my pistols again.

I think I have over 10 firings in some 9mm brass. And more than that in 45ACP starline brass.

yep...mostly Sig Sauers to be exact...


ive never heard that pistol brass can only be reloaded 1 time...


sounds like someone had an error somewhere...even brass near the end of its life shouldnt "explode" and cause a "firecracker in your hands" after brass wears so long it may split or crack..but nothing terrible unless it was a hot load..i dont know i didnt load it....

really no reason to target shoot with really hot loads anyways IMO...more recoil...but that piece of paper dont know if you shot it with a hot load or not...

Montana Golds are the way to go. I don't know what kinda stuff Mr. Baked is talking about. Don't shoot someone elses ammo. May have been loaded long for a 1911, which won't do squat in a Glock...

https://secure3.mooseweb.com/montana.../pricelist.tpl

those montana golds....are they true jacketed bullets? or plated like rainer ballistics?? just curious...

price aint bad...135$ for 1000 180gr FMJ 40cal shipped...aint bad at all

Either FMJ, CMJ, JHP take your pick.... I've shot thousands of the 180 JHP's.

The only thing I shoot in my XDm .40 and LCP .380 is reloads (other than my SD ammo).
I load Berry's and Rainiers.
I'm on about 6-8x reloads on my brass and rarely have to throw out a bad piece.
Whoever says that you can only get 1 reload on pistol brass is clueless.
I'd never shoot some unknown persons reloads.
First part of reloading is inspecting brass and tossing anything questionable in the recycle bucket.

I shoot 7gr of Unique with 165gr speer golddots. Also shoot 8.5gr of HS-6 with 155gr XTP.

The unique shockingly shoots cleaner and better but hard to use with my progrssive compared to HS-6.

I have shot a lot of laser cast in other semi's and had good luck. I would like to also hear how the plated ones work out.

yeah i wanst making mine, and didnt even mean to run re-loads through,
the range re-loads and uses the old boxes people leave behind to sell them on the shelves...back then they didnt have the big sticker that they do now on the box that says re-loads....
so if i buy 1000 rounds for $135, whats to guarantee the wont crack the brass and jam in my gun. my glock has only jammed on that one occasion where the fire cracker went off in my hand, and i even sprinkled a lil sand in it one time and went through a 250 round box just to show my buddy it could do it. she is still good as new. :party0005:

can i get the info on this?

Ya just gotta love internet advise like this.

Add it to the list of

Things that make me go .....huh?

To the OP....I would not worry so much about exposed lead bullets as I would making sure I washed me hands and limited contact directly with said bullets.

Blue dot is always a fine choice in a 40 SW.

thanx SKB...im not worried about exposed lead...just dont wanna shoot all lead bullets...i'll spend the extra money just so i dont gotta clean the stuff outta my gun...

was just curious about rainer ballistics and other plated/coated copper bullets compared to a true jacketed bullet...didnt wanna find out i wasted 100$ on them....but sounds like they aughta work ok...and the monatana golds SEEM to be jackets bullets at a real good price...so that might be the way to go...

Depends on the gun but sometimes exposed lead bullets don't feed well unless the feedramp is polished out. Plated bullets I would expect to feed like jacketed bullets...again it may come down to a gun thing.

FYI - shooting 'reloads' of unknown origin or that you personally did not handload is a problem that manifests itself in exploding guns. Not to be compared with the millions of handloaded rounds fired every year in semi auto handguns by competent shooters.

Nothing to SEEM about MG's.. Look at the top competitors using it. 180 JHP's sitting on Titegroup is the medicine for 40

Call them and ask for some samples.....

i most certainly didnt mean the gun "exploded" into a million pieces...was just the feeling i had in my hand, like a fire cracker went off in it. sorry if i lead anyone to believe it actually exploded... the gun was fine after removing the split brass shell.

thanx Ris and SKB..

im skeptical to believe what manufacturers advertise these days...too much of that stuff goes on...think i'll order 1000 MGs soon...

If you want to shoot reloads from a Glock, it is recommended that you get an after market barrel that has a fully supported chamber, especially if you are shooting a 40 Cal. 40 Cal has seemed to see the most KB's with reloads due to the 40's high pressure and the not fully supported chamber.

I think you're referring to higher powered reloads. A typical load would be fine. Once you start pushing it, then you might get into trouble. But isn't that always the case?

Factory 40SW loads are consistently nearer the top end than most other cartridges. This is why it is referred to as a "hot" round. You actually void your Glock warranty by shooting reloads in it due to the unsupported chamber. If you are using full power loads and hit on an old piece of brass with a weak spot that ends up right on the unsupported area of the chamber, KABOOOM.

I run reloads but I limit the brass to 4-5 loadings and use reduced loads.

No manufacturer will honor their warranty shooting reloads.

I started shooting starline +P 45ACP brass for this reason. And never shoot max in my Glock 21. Well see how long it last. I plan to keep a close eye on the bulge.

Perhaps so, but the Glock guidance has as much to do with a known design parameter of their product and not just to protect themselves from incompetent or distracted reloaders. I would NEVER reload random range brass for a Glock, I always start with once-fired cases obtained from other people using my personal range.

I reload for every caliber i have and i also CAST LEAD boolits for every caliber even rifles . and after 57 years im still going strong no lead poison here. and i can cast 1000 40 s&w 175grtc for $20. lube with lee alox and I've never had a lead fouling problem EVER. i use 4.3gr of clays on the 175grtc. i even load lead in my 223 25/06 30/06 308 45/70 and 220 swift. i just started to make my own brass jacketed bullets (swagging), here is a site you may want to check out before you start to judge on my choices ( as you read this your thinking this guy is stupid). you never know you may start doing it

http://ammosmith.com/

interesting stuff Travis...i aint judging you or callin you a liar...

ive shot lead a few different times...probably not near the care you take with yours and lubed well etc...and i rather have copper fouling over lead any day...from what ive seen. and, i run into feeding issues when running it through my pistols after a while on the range...

i really dont feel like messing with casting...i got more hobbies than i can keep up with right now lol...but one day i wouldnt mind casting for the flintlocks atleast..

and how many times would ya load the "once used brass" in a glock

This is one of the few reasons I wouldn't own a Glock.
My XDm .40 loves all the reloads I throw at it.

I have loaded new brass up to 5 times, and fairly certain it would last much more in glock21

I've shot at least 2000 of the Rainier's between my 45 and 357, no problems. Good bullet at a good price. Would I depend upon them for defensive loads, no but for practice an making holes in paper, oh yea.

Not sure what that has to do with an unsupported 40 s&w Glock chamber, but if you're refering to plated vs jacketed bullets, then O.K.

Good thing the thread is about plated bullets, or a person could look silly here.

However the conversation turned to unsupported chambers, but thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I believe you stemmed the conversation about brass.

Regards,
Ris

i have an xdm, and it didnt pass the sand test, after my re-load experience, i have never ran another re-load through any of my guns. maybe if i were doin it myself i might see.

So does my Glock. I just don't run maxed out reloads through it.

As for the brass, I probably get around 5 reloadings before I lose them in the grass. I shoot with 3 other guys using G23s and a Kel-Tec 40 carbine, and I'm the only one who reloads. So lots of brass.

Obviously it wasn't obvious to you.:s12:

The OP is asking about the bullets, not about an unsupported Glock chamber.

After 4 pages of posts, and a conversation that's gone beyond the topic, people still chime in about the original question. OP had the answer on Post #5. It seems that the holier than thou, high posting count crowd chimes in when they like, followed by those who never bothered to read the thread.

No response needed, as you both bore me.

Regards,
Ris

Nah man, I really dig your elementary gun knowledge on here. I mean what would we do without the likes of vabyrd, 16bore and you relentlessly asking which gun you should buy to go deer hunting. Forums need more guys like you.

Whenever someone starts talking of reloading for a Glock, the chamber issue is completely relevent and typically arises.

You prompted the unsupported chamber discussion by the inferrence that it had no bearing on "normal" loads. It certainly does, if that "normal" load is in a case fired a dozen times.

If you are uncomfortable with your ignorance being educated, you may elect to push back from your keyboard and not make it evident to those that know better. Other people need to understand these things if they are going to reload safely.

Are knowledgeable enough to make such a recommendation?

I've shot and reloaded more .40's, in more platforms than you could fathom.