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Old 07-10-2008 | 11:58 AM
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Default Did the math...now have some questions

I chimed in on the "reloading - cost effective" thread a while back. My Brother gave me a Lee Anniversary kit and so I went to Sportsman's Warehouse to find out what it would take to start reloading for my 270. I'm shooting 140gr Accubonds that run about $37 for 20, so that's $185 for 100 rnds. I will need to purchase about $15 - $20 worth of dies to begin reloading for 270 win. Powder, bullets, and primers total up to just under $80. Savings sound pretty good to me (assuming I have my own brass)? So, I think I'm going to start monkeying around with this and shoot my own next year (I already have ammo for this year).

Here are some questions that you all might be able to help me with. I hope they are not too fundamental but I don't seem to find them in other resources.

1.How many rounds do you get out of a pound of powder? I know this can vary, but for a larger (270, 30-06, 300 win) cartridge can anyone give me a ball park?

2. How many times can you reload brass? Do you just keep reloading and resizing until is shows damage or a crack?

3.Is there any brass from factory ammo that I shouldn't reload? I don't shoot alumminum or steel casing so no worries there, but for example if I buy some cheap Federal loads, is the brass still good for reloading purposes?

4.How do you guys keep track of how many times a specific case has been reloaded?

5.Powder seems to be pretty confusing. Any recommendations?

6. I see case cleaners for sale but my manual doesn't say anything about tumbling, only cleaning the primer pocket. Is this something that I need to consider?

Well I plan on setting up a bench and doeing some dry runs (with out powder)just to get the mechanics of it down and then I'm going to play with the powder and make sure I'm measuring correctly. After that I think I'm going to find someone who reloads and have them sit with me and watch just to make sure I'm doing it correctly.

Let me know if there is anything else that I didn't think of. I'm getting excited. This will be interesting and fun.

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Old 07-10-2008 | 12:39 PM
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1.How many rounds do you get out of a pound of powder? I know this can vary, but for a larger (270, 30-06, 300 win) cartridge can anyone give me a ball park?
7000 grains per pound...simple division.


2. How many times can you reload brass?
Depends on pressure, case design, ect. I reloaded most of my .270 brass 5 to 6 times before tossing it.


Do you just keep reloading and resizing until is shows damage or a crack?
Usually a loose primer or split neck with the .270....


3.Is there any brass from factory ammo that I shouldn't reload? I don't shoot alumminum or steel casing so no worries there, but for example if I buy some cheap Federal loads, is the brass still good for reloading purposes?
Blue box Federal is good to go for a lot of shooting. If it were me though I'd just source a bulk bag of virgin brassfrom one of the shooters supplies and rock on....cheaper that way. Remmy's, Winchesters, don't matter....


4.How do you guys keep track of how many times a specific case has been reloaded?
Used to be anal about it but now I just shoot the stuff until it craps out. The first split neck or loose primer getsthe batchtossed. I do shoot a lot of cases one complete go around before reloading. IOW, ifI've a 100 30-06's, they'll all get shot before before reloading any of them the next time.


5.Powder seems to be pretty confusing. Any recommendations?[
I had good luck with IMR4350 and IMR4831, H1000 worked pretty good but it is slow and offers compressed loads. Try for a 90% or above load density with that type burn rate of powder.


6. I see case cleaners for sale but my manual doesn't say anything about tumbling, only cleaning the primer pocket. Is this something that I need to consider?
Shiney brass looks better but it don't shoot any better. I do like, however, having clean brass to run through a sizer and definately can appreciate clean brass going into my chambers. I don't tumble, I wash with IOSSO.....


On aside, if you need brass, I've a chitt load squirreled away that I would let you have pretty darn cheap. I don't shoota .270 anymore.....
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Old 07-10-2008 | 01:11 PM
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Should add that this will likely spin off into bullet choices, case trim advice, sizing techniques, equipment choices,and a host of other mind boggling scenarios.

All likely good advice to comebut keeping it simple in the beginning is good advice to heed....

Buy some manuals and do your homework too........
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Old 07-10-2008 | 01:17 PM
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1. For large rifle cases, I figure about 125 out of a pound of powder. For 300 WSM, that is only about 100.

2. I figure 10, but I'm anal about not over resizing. Also, you can anneal case necks to make brass go for longer.

3. Not for rifle hunting loads. I guess I would avaid brass which comes out of an HK rifle due to it's fluted chamber. Ususally brass issues are related to cylindrical consistency. Sometimes there is a softness issue causing loose primers. Free brass is usually best for cost efficiency. . . .or once fired brass from a scrounger.

4. I just keep them together and when one goes bad, they all hit the bucket. I do label the box as to how many times they've been reloaded.

5. Yea, it is kind of. I first look for the fastest for a given caliber, then I look at peoples reviewsabout consistency over a temp range(basically are competative shooters using it?), then I try to match my barrel length to the one shown in the manual. For example, if a manual shows powder A to have a fast velocity at a low pressure with a 24" barrel, it should continue to build pressure and go faster with my 26" barrel. If it reaches max pressure in a 24" tube,it will probably over pressure in a longer tube and I will have to back off. Also, I tend to use a faster powder in a shorter tube and a slower poder in a longer tube.
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Old 07-10-2008 | 01:37 PM
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tip for obtaining brass- hit up the local rifle range just before the first rifle season. Most 'once a year shooters/hunters' don't handload and they will buy a box of loaded ammo, crack off a box and walk away leaving the brass behind. In .270 Win. you should find that common as dirt.

Wow $37 for 20 bullets, for that kind of money I want a guidance system. I have a few boxes of .30 cal Sierras I bought way back when. The price on the box is marked $5.99/100. They kill elk just fine.
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Old 07-10-2008 | 08:24 PM
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They are only about $20 for a box of 50.

If you are going to be hunting deer sized game then you might also want to consider bullets like the Hornady SST. They are about $26 per hundred. When I finally get around to getting my bench built and reloading area set up (yes I procrastinate)this is the bulletI will be starting out with every thing from .243 to 338 RUM.

Or, less expensive still is Remington Core-lokt at about $17 per hundred. Great deer bullet in the .270.
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Old 07-11-2008 | 03:58 AM
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He was most likely talking about factory ammo, 20 for 37 bucks....thus the desire to reload and the ensuing questions.
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Old 07-11-2008 | 11:34 AM
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Default RE: Did the math...now have some questions

Yes, a box of 20 Fed 140 Accubonds (factory loads) is approx $37 at the local Sportsman's warehouse.

I'd like to reload the Accubond, but might start with a less expensive bullet since I'm mainly hunting mullies right now.

Thanks for all the good info.

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Old 07-12-2008 | 07:58 AM
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He was most likely talking about factory ammo, 20 for 37 bucks....thus the desire to reload and the ensuing questions.
Well, that was like an airplane buzzing a tower and never coming in for a landing. [8D]
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Old 07-12-2008 | 08:45 AM
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It was your airplane, fly it how ever you want.................
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