SIERRA GAME KINGS
12-06-2005 | 10:55 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Eastern PA
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
Rats - Now you guys have me worried. I have worked up a load of 180 gr Game Kings in my 300 WM. This load is pushing around 3100 fps and accurate, producing sub MOA groups on a regular basis. It took me years to get this load worked up and was planning to use them for my upcoming elk hunt. Now I'm wondering if they are going to hold up. I don't want to be chasing a wounded elk up and down the mountain(s).
Maybe I'll try Barnes bullets only because I could never get Nosler Partitions to shoot very well.
Maybe I'll try Barnes bullets only because I could never get Nosler Partitions to shoot very well.
12-06-2005 | 12:40 PM
#12
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From: Colorado
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
There have been a lot of elk killed with the 180 Gamekings out of a .300 Win Mag. Just try to be careful on close range shots. And avoid shoulder shots. Broadside in the ribs at 400 yards, you will think they are great.
The 180 Hornady Interlock has a pretty good reputation as an elk bullet. I personally use the Sift Scirocco's and can't say enough good things about them. The Nosler Accubond and the Tropy Bonded Bear Claw bullets are also very good - as are the 180 gr. Speer Grand Slams.
The 180 Hornady Interlock has a pretty good reputation as an elk bullet. I personally use the Sift Scirocco's and can't say enough good things about them. The Nosler Accubond and the Tropy Bonded Bear Claw bullets are also very good - as are the 180 gr. Speer Grand Slams.
12-07-2005 | 04:04 AM
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Fork Horn
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From: Hells Canyon
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
Guess I'll elaborate on the bad luck I had with the Sierra's. I got between a big 6x6 and his cows while he was fighting with another bull that I could make out through some black timber and bugled. He immediately came charging my way and I watched him comming toward me. He stepped out at 15 yards and I dead centered him in the neck with my 300 win mag. He flipped and was flailing on his back, jumped up and took off running hard. I caught him again at about 100 yrds right behind the shoulder in the ribs and he piled up a few yards from there. No doubt in my mind that I wouldn't have got him without the second shot. I also bugled in a spike the next year, had him at about 40 yrds with a rest facing me standing dead still. I centered my cross hairs on the white spot just below his chin and touched off. I'm sure a .22 mag would have killed him but this bullet just exploded and split the skin from his jaw half way down his neck and I found the front half of his jaw sitting on ground like it was sawed off right where he was standing. I'm sure his sences were shot, but he got with another bull and everytime I got close the healthy bull would go and he would follow. Four hours later and afew miles later I could no longer find a blood trail and lost the only bull I've ever lost. Still just makes me sick.
Shoot the TSX Barnes
Shoot the TSX Barnes
12-07-2005 | 08:52 AM
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RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
ORIGINAL: racowboy
Guess I'll elaborate on the bad luck I had with the Sierra's. I got between a big 6x6 and his cows while he was fighting with another bull that I could make out through some black timber and bugled. He immediately came charging my way and I watched him comming toward me. He stepped out at 15 yards and I dead centered him in the neck with my 300 win mag. He flipped and was flailing on his back, jumped up and took off running hard. I caught him again at about 100 yrds right behind the shoulder in the ribs and he piled up a few yards from there. No doubt in my mind that I wouldn't have got him without the second shot. I also bugled in a spike the next year, had him at about 40 yrds with a rest facing me standing dead still. I centered my cross hairs on the white spot just below his chin and touched off. I'm sure a .22 mag would have killed him but this bullet just exploded and split the skin from his jaw half way down his neck and I found the front half of his jaw sitting on ground like it was sawed off right where he was standing. I'm sure his sences were shot, but he got with another bull and everytime I got close the healthy bull would go and he would follow. Four hours later and afew miles later I could no longer find a blood trail and lost the only bull I've ever lost. Still just makes me sick.
Shoot the TSX Barnes
Guess I'll elaborate on the bad luck I had with the Sierra's. I got between a big 6x6 and his cows while he was fighting with another bull that I could make out through some black timber and bugled. He immediately came charging my way and I watched him comming toward me. He stepped out at 15 yards and I dead centered him in the neck with my 300 win mag. He flipped and was flailing on his back, jumped up and took off running hard. I caught him again at about 100 yrds right behind the shoulder in the ribs and he piled up a few yards from there. No doubt in my mind that I wouldn't have got him without the second shot. I also bugled in a spike the next year, had him at about 40 yrds with a rest facing me standing dead still. I centered my cross hairs on the white spot just below his chin and touched off. I'm sure a .22 mag would have killed him but this bullet just exploded and split the skin from his jaw half way down his neck and I found the front half of his jaw sitting on ground like it was sawed off right where he was standing. I'm sure his sences were shot, but he got with another bull and everytime I got close the healthy bull would go and he would follow. Four hours later and afew miles later I could no longer find a blood trail and lost the only bull I've ever lost. Still just makes me sick.
Shoot the TSX Barnes
And counting up, I and about every hunter I know have twice the success of finding the animal without these high risk small area neck shots.
I really don't think sierra is the issue for you. Just my thought. I have shot elk sized animals before, and never had the bad luck you have. But moose are not as tough as elk I believe.
12-07-2005 | 10:29 PM
#15
Fork Horn
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From: Hells Canyon
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
not risky with a decent bullet and you know your gun.....some people waste a lot of unneccessary meat...I take the best shot I got and if I got a close range animal, I'll put him down painlessly without meat loss....next time you see a slaughter truck, ask the guy if he shoots the animals in the shoulder with an 06 and why not....just my thought
12-07-2005 | 10:55 PM
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RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
Well, not sure what to say about all that. I guess the facts here speak for themselves. I see shots like yours with your outcome pretty regularly, and arguments as well go along with it just like yours and excuses, and possible reasons. And shots like mine without your outcome almost 100% of the time without any excuses. I don't need to get everyounce of meat. I just go and kill me another animal on another tag.
Man, if you can't see it, I don't think I could ever get thru to you. A slaughter truck? You comparing hunting to taking down a domestic farm animal? Bud if you really need the meat, I can get ya a deer tomorrow or this weekend. Just let me know.
Man, if you can't see it, I don't think I could ever get thru to you. A slaughter truck? You comparing hunting to taking down a domestic farm animal? Bud if you really need the meat, I can get ya a deer tomorrow or this weekend. Just let me know.
12-07-2005 | 11:10 PM
#17
Fork Horn
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From: Hells Canyon
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
Ya, when it comes to elk, I am a meat hunter first and a trophy hunter second....and I've made that same shot numerous times with other rifles and bulletswith out any problem. The question was if those bullets blow up... YES, they do! If I would have elected to shoot those bulls in the shoulder, I beleive they would have blown up on the shoulder and not penetrated just like they did on the neck. Of around fourty elk, that is the only one I have ever lost and it still pisses me off. That shot should have taken his head off. That bullet and that experience is what prompted me to come to this site in the first place. I chose to try to learn from others experience with bullets instead of trial and error at some animals expense.
12-07-2005 | 11:31 PM
#18
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RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
THATS THE PROBLEM WITH EVERYONE THINKING THEY NEED THAT BIG MAG TO GET THE JOB DONE AND PUT DOWN THAT ANIMAL, WELL I TELL YOU WHAT THAT 300MAG ANT GOT A THING ON MY TRUSTY 06 AND I KNOW YOUR GOING TO SAY THE 300 SHOOTS FLATTER WELL WHEN YOUR SHOOTING OUT OVER 300YRDS.IT DONT MATTER WHAT CAL. YOUR SHOOTING YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR BULLET DROP AND SHOOT PLACEMENT IS STILL THE KEY TO TAKING GAME CLEANLY. SO WHEN YOUR TALKING 12INCHES WHATS 4 MORE. HAD ANOTHER GUY ON MY GOAT WITH A 300WSM TOOK HIM 5 SHOOTS TO KEEP HIS GOAT DOWN AND ANOTHER WITH A 25-06 TOOK HIS WITH ONE SHOT I PUT IN 2 AND ONE MORE FOR INSURANCE TO GET MY GOAT AND BELEAVE ME WHEN I SAY THEY ARE TOUGH ANIMALS BUT THAT GETS ME BACK TO RELOADING FOR THE 06 I PUT IN 65GRAINS TO GET 2800FPS YOU PUT IN SOMETHING LIKE 75GRAINS TO GET 200 HUNDERED MORE FPS.AT3000 DUH
12-08-2005 | 08:41 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
RE: SIERRA GAME KINGS
I have read a lot of complaints over the years that Sierra bullets disintegrate too easily. But my experience, albeit somewhat limited,with them in 6.5mm, .277", 7mm, and .308" has been just the opposite. I have experienced mostly passthrus and no blown-up bullets. The HPBT versions seem quite "hard" to me.