New Sub Powder...
12-08-2007 | 11:31 AM
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New Sub Powder...
Triple Seven first posted this on another site so i do want to give him credit...
I assume it came off Toby's site...
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/
Here is the complete article...
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
Western Powders, of Miles City, MT is about to take modern in-line muzzleloader performance to yet another new level. At the 2008 SHOT Show in Las Vegas this coming February, the company will unveil an all new muzzleloader propellant that has been specifically developed to produce optimum velocities and energy levels with today's popular No. 209 primer ignition in-line rifle models. And it does it with lower peak pressure levels than produced by today's widely used 150-grain black powder substitute pellet charges.
The company's new Blackhorn 209 is definitely not just another black powder substitute. First of all, this propellant is a short-cut, extruded powder. And there is a small hole running through the center of each granule. This is not a nitro-cellulose based powder, but then again its not just another concoction of the same old ingredients of the very similar materisl found in other non-smokeless black powder subsititutes. As the powder comes to market, those who want to know will learn more about its chemical make up. Right now, let's just establish that it is non-corrosive...and different.
Like all other modern muzzleloader powders, Blackhorn 209 is bulkier than real black powder. In fact, a 100-grain volume measured charge of this powder actually weighs in at just under 70 grains. However, due to the exceptional uniformity of the granules, this is easily the best measuring muzzleloader propellant that has ever been available. And largely due to the unofrmity of the charges, accuracy is exceptional.
As with anything that's new, shooters will have to learn a few things necessary for getting optimum performance with Blackhorn 209. ne of the most important with this powder is to accept that IT IS A NO. 209 PRIMER ignition ONLY powder.
Here, at last, is a muzzleloader powder that truly permits the muzzleloading hunter to spend an entire day in the field, or week in hunting camp, without having to wipe the bore, whether the rifle was shot once or several dozen times. And on the performance side, the powder shoots with very consistent accuracy and impressive velocities. According to Western Powders, Blackhorn 209 produces those bullet speeds with a lower peak pressure than equivalent loads of Triple Seven. - Toby Bridges, NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING
The company's new Blackhorn 209 is definitely not just another black powder substitute. First of all, this propellant is a short-cut, extruded powder. And there is a small hole running through the center of each granule. This is not a nitro-cellulose based powder, but then again its not just another concoction of the same old ingredients of the very similar materisl found in other non-smokeless black powder subsititutes. As the powder comes to market, those who want to know will learn more about its chemical make up. Right now, let's just establish that it is non-corrosive...and different.
Like all other modern muzzleloader powders, Blackhorn 209 is bulkier than real black powder. In fact, a 100-grain volume measured charge of this powder actually weighs in at just under 70 grains. However, due to the exceptional uniformity of the granules, this is easily the best measuring muzzleloader propellant that has ever been available. And largely due to the unofrmity of the charges, accuracy is exceptional.
As with anything that's new, shooters will have to learn a few things necessary for getting optimum performance with Blackhorn 209. ne of the most important with this powder is to accept that IT IS A NO. 209 PRIMER ignition ONLY powder.
Here, at last, is a muzzleloader powder that truly permits the muzzleloading hunter to spend an entire day in the field, or week in hunting camp, without having to wipe the bore, whether the rifle was shot once or several dozen times. And on the performance side, the powder shoots with very consistent accuracy and impressive velocities. According to Western Powders, Blackhorn 209 produces those bullet speeds with a lower peak pressure than equivalent loads of Triple Seven. - Toby Bridges, NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/
Here is the complete article...
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
12-08-2007 | 12:31 PM
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RE: New Sub Powder...
sabotloader, This sounds even better than the other one I heard about, will it be possable to get a can for testing any time soon? Lee
12-08-2007 | 12:41 PM
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RE: New Sub Powder...
LEE
Miles City is across the Idaho line and in the eastern part of Montana, but I am really tempted to e-mail themand see if they would allow a common person to try some - but I doubt that I would qualify as a powder tester for them....
And yes - I think it might be a better alternative also - if it does what they say....
Interesting dicovery.... search for Western Powders -> they just bought out Accurate powder company - so now it even sounds more promising...
Miles City is across the Idaho line and in the eastern part of Montana, but I am really tempted to e-mail themand see if they would allow a common person to try some - but I doubt that I would qualify as a powder tester for them....
And yes - I think it might be a better alternative also - if it does what they say....
Interesting dicovery.... search for Western Powders -> they just bought out Accurate powder company - so now it even sounds more promising...
12-08-2007 | 12:53 PM
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RE: New Sub Powder...
Yep sounds interesting but like sharp shooter says, i'll stick with a proven powder. This new powder stuff that keeps coming out often leaves a foul taste in my mouth. Non corrosive dont mean anything. Rather than bragging about 5 minute clean up jobs, take your time and actually clean the rifle the right way and you wont have to worry about corrosion!
12-08-2007 | 01:13 PM
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RE: New Sub Powder...
sabotloader,The info I have seen so far matches up with Black Mag. I wonder if it is possable that they bought the pattent; I heard production on Black Mag has stopped. Lee
12-08-2007 | 01:35 PM
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RE: New Sub Powder...
LEE
It does sound like BM3 - but MLKieth who has pretty good contact with Magkor says they have joined MDM... just have to wait & see I guess - wish iwas closer to Miles City...
It does sound like BM3 - but MLKieth who has pretty good contact with Magkor says they have joined MDM... just have to wait & see I guess - wish iwas closer to Miles City...
12-08-2007 | 02:59 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: New Sub Powder...
I'll stick with american pioneer powder co jim shockey's select FFF. The claims about not having to clean as far fouling buildup,we've already got now for sure with this and it's proven-accuracy,non fouling,consistant,excellent velocity,and easily measured per volume. We tested and comparedthis powder side by side with black powder,pyrodex,and 777,and select easily came out on top-all rifles/setups were exactly the same.
12-08-2007 | 03:08 PM
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Typical Buck
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RE: New Sub Powder...
OH BOY-This is great news.One more thing to play with. Should be good for a lot of range time.Look at it as stimulating the economy.Buy American products.
Charlie
Charlie
12-08-2007 | 04:24 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: New Sub Powder...
It sounds like it might be a good powder but I like real black powder (im a traditional guy). I still would like to hear how it goes though. I think a lot of inline shooters will like it. I wonder how much you would have to reduce your charge?