BT: In my opinion no war started here, just a good healthy debate on what is going on out there across the country. It' s a sad state of affairs when law enforcement doesn' t even know the laws or use common sense.Which is why I go the extra 10 yds. and always will.Yes some of my reponses are hot headed, but if you get in my face when I have done NOTHING illegal,I' am in yours.We as gun owners/hunters are being pushed into a corner by antis and those pinko freaks in Ozawa, we MUST fight this at every corner and chance we get by any means available as long as it' s legal or we are doomed.As for the OFAH, I am a long time member as well as my wife and I plan to be till my last days. They did print updates to the laws, but nothing that had it in an book form(up to us get copies or have debates to bring everyone up to speed). If it wasn' t for the OFAH we would have 0 turks, 0 elk (except what was left of the 30s[I think that was the time frame] reintroduction near Burwash),started reintroduction of quail as well as nonnative pheasant the list goes on and on.

gt; check the archery seasons for wmu 84 (Sauble Beach). They' re fragmented around the rifle and black powder seasons.

Dan O.

Dan O if you check last years hunting regulations )sorry I do not have this years handy) you will see that in #84 from Nov 4-8 the only restrictions for that area is no dogs. This means that rifles, shotguns, archery & muzzle-loaders could be used. The rifle season as you call it is open for all legal hunting tools. Also you will find out that alot of the MNR district offices are opening up archery in the special muzzle-loader season if the archery hunters ask to be included in that season (has already happened to many areas.

gt; I think you' re right but I' ll check with the local CO. Hunters orange would have to be used that week. I guess I read the write-up for the blackpowder week and confused it with the rifle week. The 2003 regulations are on the omnr website.

Dan O.

Dan O no problem on the regulations. There are alot of people that read them wrong. Mostly because they read the archery season' s close for the gun season, they assume that they can' t use archery in those gun weeks.

As I said above, if you want to use archery in the muzzle-loading only week, ask your local MNR District Office. The local office is what sets the sates and rules for your local areas. Peterborough told me that they included archery in the controled muzzle-loader season because people had asked for it to be included. Also told me that generally as along as you are not trying to up the weapon of choice (rifle instead of shotgun, shotgun over bow) but use a weapon of greater difficulty they will generally include them in the regulations. It would never hurt to ask [8D] .

You are also correct in thinking that hunter orange must be worn in these weeks. Now the hunter orange law is another law that is totally confusing, even to MNR CO' s. Some CO' s claim that during any large gun season (deer, bear, moose) you have to wear hunter orange. But acording to a writen reply I got from the MNR, you only need to wear hunter orange if you are hunting during those seasons. Example, if you are archery hunting Moose or deer (archery only) when the bear season is on, youdo not need to wear hunter orange unless you are hunting bear (have a bear licience) then you have to abide with the hunter orange for bears.

Why can' t they make easy to follow rules and laws [:@].

Gentlemen is it me or are the Hunting Regulations Booklets increasing in the number of pages? In general does everyone find the publication a pain in the butt to go through everytime you need an answer for one little thing only to be stopped cold by a note telling us to contact the local MNR Office?

Another problem I see with Law enforcement is not knowing the actual local WMU boundaries, why don' t they include this in the Regulations Booklet? or at the very least publish a separate booklet?

GT; even in rifle season for bear you can take off the orange when you get into your tree stand.

Carpie; I don' t know if they' re getting bigger but they can be interesting to interpret. Especially when you have multiple game seasons open at the same time.

Dan O.

Just a coment on " complex regulations" . I know they are sometimes a little tricky to figure out here in Alberta. And certianly I think they could make them easier to follow and understand. However it may not be a good idea to ask for " simple" regulations.

Moose season is OPEN. Moose season is CLOSED. There are two very simple regulations. X number of permits for X number of days.

If you allow a season for calf moose with a bow from Sept. 1 to Oct. 15 and then a season for muzzleloaders wearing red fron Oct. 16 to Nov. 1 but only allow hunting on Monday to Friday. Then a limited entry season for bulls...

Your regulations are now more complicated but you can have more hunting opportunity, more permits and more days afield. So simple is not always better.

Robin

Swampthing, Were you refering to Grumpy Grant?
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