They weigh twice as much as a hunting scope and can be used for hammers but their optics are not in the Austrian,German league .

Swarovski and Kahles are hard to beat. Ive used both and pleased with each of them, however, the only thing I dont care for is the eye focus adjustment. Atleast in the scopes Ive used. They seem to turn out of focus in the field easier than I care for, I switched to the Leupold Boone and Crockett just for that reason and the glass is good too. In my opinion the Swarovski and Kahles have the best overallglass but like the Leupold for the eye focus. Dont have to worry in the field if I get a quick running shot that my scope will be focused or not.

Never had that problem and it is easier much easier to focus either of the 2 brands you mentioned. Your taking a 2 step drop in optics and settling for a scope with cheaper aluminum tubes that are not even hard anodized and with a poor erector system that is outdated. Whatever

Pentax has sold me on optics, all my future money will be spent with them. imo, you can't go wrong with their Lightseeker series.

I do not disagree as I said the Swarovski and Kahles have the better glass. I agree 100% with spending the money on optics and not cheaping out. I personally own Leica binos and Swarovski spotter, but the scope I like the Leupold because of the focus adjustment. It stays where I left it. Besides, I have never had a time come up where I couldnt take a shot using the Leupold due to it was too dark during legal hunting hours to make me think Im handicapped using a Leupold rifle scope. Leupolds are tough also, fellacouple times dentingthe bell and tubeeven cracked the back glass during a fall one time, still held the zero to finish the hunt out. If this topic was related to Binos or Spotting scope, I would then sayusing Leupoldis a handicap but I dont believe so with therifle scopes.