What about a senior pin class?
 

:)How would the seniors out there feel about an IBO class for pins only?;)

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I wouldn't mind seeing it. I hate all the thinking that goes into a moveable pin sight. [:@] Are you talking about a Senior Hunter class, max 35 yds?

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pdq 5oh Absolutely! I agree with you! Sorry I didn't make myself clear in the original post! I think it is really hard for those of us in the senior class to compete with the young agile eyes and nerves of the younger hunter class fellas. I love shooting pins,always have. I have to shoot msr now and I really don't like using a scope but must since it is the only way I can hope to stay up with the upper half. I know I would do much better with a pin class. I see your a life member and perhaps we can contact our IBO reps and get some more feedback from those of us that really want to see a senior HC which by the way could be "mshc" designated. Bow Pro if your monitoring what are your thoughts? And how can we get the ball rolling on this idea? I think the IBO is a great organization and should really do more to promote the hunting classes as it does already in the pro, semi-pro and nonhunting classes. Thanks for your consideration in advance and lets hear some feedback! Thanks, rcher.

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rchr, I've never quite understood the thinking behind the MSR rules. I used to be able to drive in the dark without lights. Now I need lots of light, and glasses. Generally you'd expect the senior shooters to have years of experience. This is not necessarily so. I've only been shooting 3D for 3 years. All the shooting I do is with a pin and no lens. The biggest thing I have trouble with re: 35 yds plus is eyesight. I can't see the targets very well. I shoot HC because of this, and many of the friends I shoot with are younger. We could still shoot the same course, just a different class. Another reason I shoot HC is I like to shoot with the same sight and stabilizer I hunt with. I'd even have no problem with the current equipment rules at 35 yds. Are there any other shooters out there feeling similarly?

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We're listening. Let's See what sort of input we get. So far it has been from a few guys.
ken12

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Thanks for the prompt response BowPro. I knew it would be a an honest answer , that will be considered. OK! Lets hear it from all you seniors out there who would really like to compete in a senior hunter class at 35 yds max. I really think this would be a great class and it would also take alot of the pressure off the current hunter class. I feel the there are a great group of senior shooters out there that truly would appreciate shooting with their peers instead of the younger eyes and nerves of steel. LETS HEAR IT!

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Ditto

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that's a real good idea ..i vote yes :)

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my dad just started shooting a couple of weeks ago and I know he would be interested as alot of guys at our club would be also.

we get asked about it ALOT

I am all for buying more trophies at our qualifier at least this class would get used.:D

mainiax

www.mainearchers.com

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Great Start guys! Get all your friends to get on here and voice their opinion! We need alot of support to make this come about. This would be such a fun class for all us old timers to get together and have a good time competing in our own age group! Keep it up!

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Yes,good idea. I went from the MBR class 4 years ago to the MSR class. Your right the old eyes don't work good enough to go up against those young bucks any more. I went to a scope and long stabilizer to compete agaist the big boys. I can't wait to get em of right after world's and get back to what we all should be shooting PINS. I got into this to help my shooting for hunting and would warmly welcome the senior HC. To add a little icing on the cake would be to limit the speed to 280fps. Then if your 6'6" with a 32 inch draw lengh you couldn't be shooting a bow that goes 320fps. I always thought this was a little unfair. In basketball if your 6'6" or plus they just throw you the ball and you dunk it. The little 6' guy has to shoot with percision from way out to get his points. Archery the same thing. A 28" draw will be lucky to get a bow to shoot 280 where the 32" draw will easy get 300fps. Why should you have this advantage just because your a big guy. Go play basketball or football, there's more money to be made. It would sure be nice to put everyone on an equel playing surface. I think this should go for every class, not just senior. Senior Hunter Class--count me in.

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I like the idea too, of course I have another 10 yrs. before I qualify to shoot the senior division but it will be nice to know I have a class waiting for me when I get there...;):D

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Focus on the establishment of the class. I would assume the rules would follow those of HC, if established.
Don't get bogged down with performance limitations or other issues.
ken12

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I'm amazed BTS. I thought you'd been shooting MSR for years. I guess it's those shoes. :D:D:D
Since IBO doesn't limit speed in other classes, I wouldn't want to see it here either. I think HC rules with the MSR age would work fine. What would shooters presently in MSR be inclined to do?
BTW, to shoot 280, I'd have to shoot 500 gr arrows. Then nobody would want to pull mine. [:@];)
Ken, looks like we were typing at the same time.

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BowPro and pdq 5oh your both typing on my page! Same rules as current hunter class only msr age applies. What to call this class? mshc??

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Hmm, who got asked for their Golden Buckeye card at KFC a couple months ago??? One guess if you don't remember (old fart) it wasn't me and it was just the two of us there...;):D[8D]


OUCH!:)[8D];):D

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BowPro.....I have several seniors in my area that would like to see
a Senior Hunter Class (SHC) started up.
I feel we should give this class a try for a year or so to see the response
we get.

I vote yes,
Curtis Locker II
IBO State Rep. / Ohio

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Thanks for the vote Ohio_Curtis! Lets hear it from more state reps! I really think this class would take some of the pressure off the regular hunter class and provde an equal oportunity for the seniors to compete in their own hunter class.

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And I do appreciate you loaning me your card. :D:D

I like Curtis' idea. Try the class for a year (maybe give it two to allow the word to get out to everyone). As we all know, there are many, many shooters that don't surf the net. I suspect a good number of people would like to see this class that will never say so here. I'll be at Nelsonville and Snowshoe and would be willing to help poll shooters re: this class.

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Senior Hunter Class (SHC) is a great idea. Keep the same rules as the HC just use age 50+ for the SHC.

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pdq 5oh I too will be at Nelsonville and Snowshoe and would be willing to poll shooters after I'm finished shooting both days. Maybe we can set something up with BowPro to get his input as what needs to be done. I'm getting positive feedback from everyone I talk to and the regular hunter class guys I talk to, like the idea also. PM me if this sounds OK and maybe we can set something up. rcher

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i think it would be a good idea for a new class the hunter class is so big maybe by doing something like this we could spread out the field alittle and make it more fun for everybody and i also think bow pro is right dont try to change all the rules for the class just get it started first

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I haven't shot worlds in afew years but still shoot some qualifiers. I think this is a good idea and would be interested. I shoot ASA in senior open but used to shoot pins in both org. Having someone in their 50's or older competing against the young guys doesn't seem real fair to me ?

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BowPro I'll be arriving at Nelsonville Thursday afternoon or evening sometime, if you want me to, I'll try to see you about this proposed class and what needs to be done to see it happen. Thanks for your direction. rcher

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SHC, YES that sounds great . I'm not hardly 50 yet but the young guys are sure making it hard for me to stay near the top shooters in our club. It should help the entries a lot.

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I presently shoot ASA senior open and can go to only so many shoots. I will switch to IBO for 2005 if there is a senior pins class.

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Come on seniors lets hear it! I really want to see this class happen!

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I think it's about time for this class. It's pretty hard to compete against scope shooters using pins regardless what class you shoot in. It's a possitive move for the IBO with all the 50+ pin shooters in archery. Jerry

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BowPro, Glad to me you face to face today and discuss this idea. I fully agree with you that it takes the membership to respond and the state reps to support a senior hunter class. I just hope we can accomplish this change and give the seniors an oportunity to compete in there own format with their own peers. Thanks again for your time and attension. rcher

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As a 52 year old geezer who shoots pins, I would like to see a class like this. It would encourage me to participate more fully in IBO shoots.

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Keep the replys coning in guys! Its what we need to see this happen. Have allyour shooting friends and club members post their replys. Great to see IBO rep Curtis at the Nelsonville shoot this weekend. Hope you go to work on this for us and thankyou in advance! rcher.

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rchr, sorry we missed each other this weekend. I talked with Ken about this class, also. What we need to do is get the word to the IBO so it can be discussed, and voted on this fall. We need to get people at the shoots that don't use this forum to call, as they may not be aware of this potential class. So everyone here get the word put. Let the IBO know this class is very much wanted by those of us shooting pins. Hopefully we can get it accomplished. The IBO is very willing to act on some things, this being one.

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I have shot senior for 4 years now and I think the hunter class is good. I have friends that are seniors but shoot the HUNTER Class. They do very well but never well enough to beat them 25 year old eyes. The eyes are the big problem for guys over 50. You might laugh but when you get there will will find out. We have a problem getting 2 guys in the bunch to keep scores because they can't see to punch the cards with all the extra attachments to there glasses to see the pin and see the target to.
My friends are basicially hunter's who like to shoot 3D and find the MSR class to be to competetive. I think the Senior Hunter Class is a real good thing. GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!

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Please contact your state reps. and let them know about your support for a senior hunter class. They are the ones who can make this happen by voting for it in the fall. A list of state reps. and how to contact them is available on the ibo.net web site. Just click on the link. Thanks, rcher

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Nice to meet you RCHER. It was great to put a face with the name. I will pass on everyone's comments that I received on this topic. I feel this is a good idea to try to start this class.
The IBO Board members are reading these posts and are hearing the people talking. If you all want this class.....then just pushing for it!!

Curtis Locker II
IBO State Rep. / Ohio

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There is a poll being taken on www.archerytalk.com so we can submit the results. So vote! and have your friends and archery club members vote! Thanks, rcher

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I would like to see the Senior class and the MCBH class studied for possible changes. The senior class is growing and will continue to grow which will be worth looking at more and more each year. Seniors and MCBH are contributing more each year and many of these shooters have been participating through other classes thru the years. A hunter class for seniors and MCBH would do a lot to make some of the people with growing limitations caused by age more enthusiastic about competing in their own age groups. Many of the other classes have much to look forward to, like the youth classes. Many of the seniors can look back a long way and the future is unknown but definetely growing to a close. Many of these archers have contributed much and would like to look as good as possible for as long as possible. Shooting at closer targets can work for people that want to shoot as long as possible.
After 48 years of shooting archery I believe that I am lucky to be out there and would like to enjoy the time as much as I can. A winning score is one that lets you feel like you can still compete and maybe win, place or show.

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HighBow Thanks for your support. Please go to the archerytalk link and vote on the poll under the general archery category. Surely BowPro can see all this positive feedback here as well as there. rcher

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fastfletch- Thanks for your support and please go to the link for archerytalk and vote in the poll I have posted under the general archery dicussion . rcher PS:- If you want to get a message directly to the IBO then e-mail them at [email protected].

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BowPro- After some of the e-mail I got and the posts I see on other forums I can really sympathize with you on all the grief you must get. It seems that some individuals really don't have any input unless it's negative input all the time. Anyway thanks for your time and consideration. rcher