hey jeremy, hows it going. things are well here. i do have a little vision, and just trying to lend a hand. some folks just cant get past what affects them directly, and not what effect it has overall. we used to set the site and then glass a few years ago. that wasnt bad. i will play by whatever rules we need too. this argument can go on forever. if the restriction were to be done away with, then the people with the simmons bino would have a disadvantage to the one shooting a lieca, and the guy shooting a nikon will be called a cheater because his are brighter than the bushnell......etc etc etc.....

anyway on to fun things.....you shooting the southern triple crown? if not i hope to see you in bedford....ill probably be shooting with my new york connection buddy...and a few southern boys....look us up, love to shoot with ya again.......

hey warchief! Best of luck to your new hobbie!!! That stinks you can't find local shoots. We are really lucky in our area, when the weather is nice, we have no less than three shoots any given weekend. We ( my buddies & I ) just took over a local club that got ''run into the ground.'' We are going to try to build a good 3-D club for EVERYBODY!! Thanks to everyone who have run clubs in the past, now I know what is involved. It takes a good amount of work. As for binos on our range, more power to ya! We have folks complain about people using glasses, but we host several pro shooters and many IBO shooters who are getting ready to shoot the bigger shoots, they are just practicing. We do ask that shooters don't glass all day at the stake! Meader, I may even let you wear my goggles! Dont worry NYSR we'll share. Shoot well archers, the snow will soon be gone.

If there are people cheating then the correct thing to do is confront these people at the time that they are being acused.
Making rules for unproven situations does nothing but make rules which are unneccesary and only serve to provoke the people who do not cheat. It would be interesting to have the experts who make these claims about judging yardage with binos to demonstrate this method at some of the national shoots to justify their reasoning. The rule is here and will stay, so is the dead horse.

fastfletch, i know there are binos out there that have the capabilities, and shooters who know how to use that capability, but PROVING that a shooter is cheating is entirely something different. i agree, there are a few suspected of cheating, so lets change the rules for everyone. for the ones who use the knuckles, your next. schedule a doctors appiontment to have your knuckles cut off.....and the ones who gap with fixed pins, well, you will have to change classes....and the guy who cheats with the neat paint scheme on his bow, your lucky, you just have to repaint you bow........

Keith
One of the things that has always made this a great sport is that we all have a common goal and that is to promote the sport and to have fun. If we think that we are being outdone by our competitors using equipment that we don't have then give us a chance to obtain the same equipment. If your bow shoots better than mine and they are the same bows tuned the same way the next thing that will happen is we will start outlawing bows, etc, until there is only one thing left to do away with, the shooter.
Many times these issues get blown way out of purportions and a few people become the vocal majority not the unspoken majority. There are other issues that allow cheating within the organization which are not being addressed and will never be because of the persons that are involved. Rule are rules and should be made for the benefit of majority not a few that think that they can use the rules to their advantage with out developing the skill that is necessary to compete.
I've beat this dead horse to much already and I don't think that I can feel a pulse yet so I am making this my last thread on this subject. Good luck and good shooting.

As a newcomer to the IBO, let me say this. I have been shooting 3D tournaments all over Alabama and Florida in local clubs and organizations and enjoy them very much. I am moving up to the big leagues and hoping to do well in the IBO. The first thing that I did was look at the rules on the webpage and make sure that I could abide by them. As I said earlier, I use a pair of 20x50 binoculars and like them a lot. I have already bought me a pair of 8x42 bino's for the upcoming 1st leg of the Southern Triple Crown. They were not very expensive as an earlier post stated, they are around $40 at Wal-Mart. If people want to compete at the IBO level then they will make the sacrifices and get the proper equipment to shoot and be competitive. Like the dead horse mentioned frequently thus far, there is not benefit to keep beatin him. Instead as Keith stated we should all try to recruit one new member for 2004. If we all bring in just one new member we could double our membership. I for one can't wait until the end of the month to make the trip up to Wetumpka and meet some of the truly nice people I have talked to so far.

Welcome, and may you find all the good times that you are looking for. The forum is the forum and is here to inform and speak our opinions. Good Luck

Not entirely accurate. Straight from Ken Watkins.......there was ONE manufacturer of binos that had a ten power pair with an adjustment wheel that allowed it to be used as a crude rangefinder. Not all 10x, just one brand.

I would vote for doing away with all restrictions on bino power. Better binos do make a difference and people don't want to buy another pair so they can shoot all major 3-d org. anymore than the IBO guys will turn down their speed to shoot an ASA event. We should all work together to promote archery and growth in this area or it will contine to die off. Maybe attendence at the major shoots is still strong but alot of local clubs are closing down due to low numbers of shooters and rising target prices. I saw a post on another site that stated that a very high priced pair off binos was tested and was in focus for about 4 yards difference out past 40 yards. I don't know if this is true or not as my binos only cost a fraction of what this brand does. I have 7x35, 7-15 zooms, 8x40, and 10x42 binos and I can tell you the 10x42 is by far the best. They are not super high priced but not Wal-Mart stuff either. I have friends that do not shoot the IBO who use 16 and 20 power stuff. If they check your bow weight and arrow weight why not just look at the binos to see if there are any marks on them??

Big Country

Does anyone know where I could get a copy of the independent study or at least the name of the people that did this research. This has been stated more once but I have never been able to get the names or the information.

I'm sorry, I believe I should have directed that question at nys rep. Has anyone ever seen published results ofl this action. They now make Binos with built in range finders.