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Hey Meador, PA Hunter is Steve & Wendy, not Paul, got your PA friends all mixed up. [8D] Take care looking forward to seeing you and Lee for Alabama.

Clue - What are you mixing me to drink in Alabama?

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Hey Meader, you got the wrong Pa. boy!!! this is Steve & Wendy!! And yes we will bring our beer googles.. Anyway, it was mentioned about the 35 yd turkey. No dout about good glasses here! I have no trouble seeing rings with 7x30 swarovski's. I understand not everybody wants good binos, but they are also priceless for deer hunting. The larger powers really dont matter much to me. I really don't feel they have an edge on the 3-D course. I have shot with guys with 10x50's that still ask to look through a pair of 7x!! The best part of smaller top quality binos is they just don't get in the way. I had a pair of 7x50 PENTAX , they were just to cumbersome to drag around the woods!! Anyway, take my advice archers, consult your wife before buying good glass 7x or 10x!! It was a very quite week at my house, A dead horse would have been good company!!!!

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Steve's right, it was a quiet week, she went on strike didn't she? But you got the bino's.

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To all concerned about beating a dead horse!, I believe the IBO's position on binoculars above 8 power is the correct one, studies have been done by independant sources showing that you can use higher power bino's for yardage judging. The feeling I get from the IBO, by the way that they lay out there ranges so that you can't see the previous target so that you have to JUDGE yardage and make a good shot! This is a dead horse!!

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If you can judge yardage with binos, NASA has an opening for you. I have no idea how a fellow could judge yardage with binos. I haven't tried it.....yet. Like I said in a previous message, a good 7 X bino is all or better than a 10 X, so why drag around a heavy bino? A smaller power is good all around and it abides by the rules. Dont' shoot yourself in the foot, see you at Full Draw.

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nmb, for you it will be oj, and a premium cribbean rum, with just a hint of cocanut. poured gently over ice, and shaken tenderly. after served, it will be slammed like all the other drinks i make you;) for steve and wendy, it will be bud light, chilled for 2 days prior to serving, so cold it will hurt your teeth. after wendys starter, it will be the usual fruity citrus coolers. and you know the deal with nysr, vodka and oj.

im with you steve on the rangefinding abilities of binoculars. there is no doubt it can be done, but it can also be done with the cheap glass as well. as for your swarovski glass, that is top of the line, but a little out of reach for most ky boys. it cuts into the fun budget. i will still use my 8 year old bruntons and keep shooting turkeys in the head:) thats a killing shot isnt it?

bluejacket, i dont concede, i just know when a stalemate is present. my belief is that maybe there is a portion of shooters we could gain by the change. i just feel like for some it may be a deterrent. just my thoughts, and what i have seen around here.

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As with all topics there are valid viewpoints on both sides of this issue. I agree with a lot of things everyone has said thus far and just like has been said there is no use beating a dead horse any more, it just doesn't do any good. With an 8x rule, those that can afford higher quality glasses and are dedicated to shooting 3D will opt for them. One thing we do each year in our last 3D tournament of the year is to have a bowhunter only tournament. The targets are setup at a 35 yard max and 12" stabilizer and fixed pins. The only addiditional rule is that there are no binoculars allowed for this shoot. It makes for some very interesting shooting and a lot of fun. I would not want to do it in all of the shoots I take part in however. Interesting viewpoints from everyone, enjoyed reading them.

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I would just like to find a place locally where I can even get started in 3d shoots. So far I've only found one and was suprised to find that one was a traditional shoot and not compound. All the other equipment can come later when I know I can shoot period. Guess I should also mention that from what I have been told, most targets are a max of 45 yards, why use a spy glass to see it when it's that close?

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In response to warchief's post. The IBO.net sight here has some local state shoots listed under "world qualifiers" link and also you can go to 3Dshoots.com for additional lisings. Hope this helps. If you give it a chance, you will love shooting 3D shoots. You will not only have a good time shooting but you will meet some of the nicest people at the same time. I can not count the number of times over the years people have stopped out from what they were doing to offer help and advice to improve my shooting. I have won several local shoots and placed well at the last state shoot. I could not have done it without so many great people helping me along the way. I have just begun to get ready to shoot in the IBO and have already gotten several nice posts from people welcoming me. Some of the classes are 45 yards max, some farther and some closer. Trust me you need good binoculars to see the 11 ring on some of the targets. Keep shooting them and you will find out for yourself.Good luck and welcome to the world of 3D shooting.

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I also am hooked on this great sport and it is amazing the following we are getting on the local level. I would like to agree with Keith ( or KEEF as he sometimes prefers):)that there would be an increase in the turnout on the national level. There is a solution to the range finding ability, at least in the upper echelon classes. Make people set their sight before glassing targets. Now I understand that this will not work for all classes, i.e. the ones with fixed pins. But as far as that goes why not get rid of fixed pins bacause someone who has pins set right can use pin gap to range as well. Now before anyone gets mad at me because I said get rid of fixed pins I WAS JOKING, it was just to prove a point. There are several ways to range other then toeing a stake and counting 10, 20, 30... but that is a mute point and I know that there are only a small percentage of people that would want this change. Heck 5 or 10 might get mad and leave but think of the hundreds that may come and thats what we are after, more people. We need to grow as a community and accept all new people with open arms.