What would you have done?
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Fork Horn
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From: ashland ohio USA
I think that Ken did the right thing buy letting several groups out Sat. to see how the response was and to come up with a plan. His plan was to wait and see if it was at all possible to complete the shoot in a safe manner. The fog never lifted so he cancelled the shoot.
Maybe im missing the point but I thought the shoot was great and i also wished i could have got a chance to redeem my self. But we need to think everthing out before we come to a conclusion and get all mad and say " ILL NEVER SHOOT A IBO AGAIN" [X(]
Maybe im missing the point but I thought the shoot was great and i also wished i could have got a chance to redeem my self. But we need to think everthing out before we come to a conclusion and get all mad and say " ILL NEVER SHOOT A IBO AGAIN" [X(]
#2
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From: Fallentimber Pa USA
What should have been done was that Sunday should have been used to let everyone get their 40 targets in and go from there to decide the world champions. That would have been a much better choice. There is no need for a 10 target shoot off after shooting 40.[
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#3
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From: Grindstone Branch KY USA
bart, i think the fog was the least of kens worries. there were several thunderstorms in the area. luckily they missed snowshoe. i dont know if you stayed saturday night, but the storm that did hit was impressive to say the least. at that altidute you are actually in the clouds, not in the fog as the perception may be.
hearsay, which is poor at best, was that several years ago they had a fatality on snowshoe. that was prior to the ibo shooting there. i feel that snowshoe pulled the plug, and ken had to abide by the decision made by them.
as for the sun coming out and saturday being nice, that was poor luck, if you see it that way......i think the main concern was the distance that the shooters were going to have to travel to get off the ranges, and back to a safe place prior to a storm actually hitting the mountain. there were ski lifts that would have been shut down, so people would have been stranded. i know it was nice after the fog/clouds cleared, but how many shooters would have been out had the storm hit.....
if the ranges were moved further down the mountain, below the cloud/fog, and condenced to accomadate rapid exit from the ranges a lot of the problems will be eliminated.
i think there needs to be a standard operating procedure posted in the rules so all shooters know how to react to inclement weather. there needs to be rally points for information given at a set time and place, so folks can be informed, and possibly keep shooting. there was ample time to let the shooters shoot later in the day, just add the later times in to the current times. they could have shot until 4pm, and whoever did not get out could have finished on sunday, and pushed the shoot down back a few hours. it could have all happened, but a lot of people left after learning the shoot was called. it should not have beed called off until all means available were exhausted.
i know it is easy to point fingers, and make assumtions, i was not involved in the desicion, but with input there may be a fix.....
hearsay, which is poor at best, was that several years ago they had a fatality on snowshoe. that was prior to the ibo shooting there. i feel that snowshoe pulled the plug, and ken had to abide by the decision made by them.
as for the sun coming out and saturday being nice, that was poor luck, if you see it that way......i think the main concern was the distance that the shooters were going to have to travel to get off the ranges, and back to a safe place prior to a storm actually hitting the mountain. there were ski lifts that would have been shut down, so people would have been stranded. i know it was nice after the fog/clouds cleared, but how many shooters would have been out had the storm hit.....
if the ranges were moved further down the mountain, below the cloud/fog, and condenced to accomadate rapid exit from the ranges a lot of the problems will be eliminated.
i think there needs to be a standard operating procedure posted in the rules so all shooters know how to react to inclement weather. there needs to be rally points for information given at a set time and place, so folks can be informed, and possibly keep shooting. there was ample time to let the shooters shoot later in the day, just add the later times in to the current times. they could have shot until 4pm, and whoever did not get out could have finished on sunday, and pushed the shoot down back a few hours. it could have all happened, but a lot of people left after learning the shoot was called. it should not have beed called off until all means available were exhausted.
i know it is easy to point fingers, and make assumtions, i was not involved in the desicion, but with input there may be a fix.....
#4
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I agree
The shootoff could have been scratched and everyone been allowed to shoot on Sunday.
40 targets is more than enough to determine a class champion.
Saturday , after weather cleared could have resumed shooting times, Stopped at a reasonable time and finish up on Sunday allowing everyone to shoot 40.
But what do I know, I' m a 1st yr. shooter not all knowing like the IBO Weather gods!!
The shootoff could have been scratched and everyone been allowed to shoot on Sunday.
40 targets is more than enough to determine a class champion.
Saturday , after weather cleared could have resumed shooting times, Stopped at a reasonable time and finish up on Sunday allowing everyone to shoot 40.
But what do I know, I' m a 1st yr. shooter not all knowing like the IBO Weather gods!!
#5
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Im certainly not an expert, but I' ve done a lot of thinking about this whole situation. First of all I' m very dissapointed I could not shoot on Saturday and hopefully save face, however I understand a decision had to be made. Whatever the reason they used to cancel the shoot is a mute point right now. I believe the fog created the greatest hazzard by creating an unsafe range. Can you be completely certain the target you are about to shoot at is clear and safe?? Maybe you could, but only if a standard rule was set up in advance and all archers were educated on how to abide by it. ie. No one shoots in foggy conditions without first yelling out the question " Is Target number 9 clear?" and [b]also each group should be required to do much the same ie. " Target number 7 is clear" [/b]
[b]In an instance when weather causes a substancial delay, a rule that reduces the time a shooter has to make the shot should be reduced from two minutes to one. This would speed things up and move more groups through the course in the limited time remaining once things clear up.[/b] I believe this would be a much better solution than trying to move shooting times to Sunday. Many, many of us fly to Snowshoe and could not not change our plans that easily. That also pertains to making accomodations with work, lodging, and other expences that would be incurred by last minute plan changes.
[b]In an instance when weather causes a substancial delay, a rule that reduces the time a shooter has to make the shot should be reduced from two minutes to one. This would speed things up and move more groups through the course in the limited time remaining once things clear up.[/b] I believe this would be a much better solution than trying to move shooting times to Sunday. Many, many of us fly to Snowshoe and could not not change our plans that easily. That also pertains to making accomodations with work, lodging, and other expences that would be incurred by last minute plan changes.
#6
Joined: Jun 2003
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The fog never lifted on saturday!!!????, only in one persons brain maybe.
Sure the hell was there on Sunday.
shame shame shame on the IBO
I do not shoot with IBO so bear in mind this is an outsiders point of view, (how crazy!) but, I have experianced the World shoots through others.
All were let down.....
What has impressed me the most, upon arrival, all the excitement in the shooters, the thrill shown just to be there. All the stories shared.
Saturday was awful and I do not mean the weather… It was the enormous let down all received when not being able to complete (and compete with) the competition.
10 targets to win the World Title? [&:]
And how many does it take to win the National title? 5?
Curious? how did the National champions fair with this type of shooting?
Where they pulled aside and asked for an opinion?
another thing that puzzles me is why youth are not allowed to compete in the best of the best shoot off? oh come on there are legitimate substitutes for a rolex watch for youth, jeez don' t use that excuse
What would I have done?
Top 5 in each class on each range shoot the scheduled 2nd day range ALL 20 TARGETS.
Or
all shoot the scheduled 2nd day range.all 20 targets
Oh wait, I am so sorry, those targets had to be pulled to be put up for sale! How inane of me to forget the venders needs .[/font]
Sure the hell was there on Sunday.
shame shame shame on the IBO
I do not shoot with IBO so bear in mind this is an outsiders point of view, (how crazy!) but, I have experianced the World shoots through others.
All were let down.....
What has impressed me the most, upon arrival, all the excitement in the shooters, the thrill shown just to be there. All the stories shared.
Saturday was awful and I do not mean the weather… It was the enormous let down all received when not being able to complete (and compete with) the competition.
10 targets to win the World Title? [&:]
And how many does it take to win the National title? 5?
Curious? how did the National champions fair with this type of shooting?
Where they pulled aside and asked for an opinion?
another thing that puzzles me is why youth are not allowed to compete in the best of the best shoot off? oh come on there are legitimate substitutes for a rolex watch for youth, jeez don' t use that excuse
What would I have done?
Top 5 in each class on each range shoot the scheduled 2nd day range ALL 20 TARGETS.
Or
all shoot the scheduled 2nd day range.all 20 targets
Oh wait, I am so sorry, those targets had to be pulled to be put up for sale! How inane of me to forget the venders needs .[/font]
#8
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Whoever made the choice on Saturday did what I believe to be right and just. Weather is something that cannot and should not be taken lightly. Sure I am disappointed I didn' t get to finish my 40 targets, but I am here now and able to answer the question above. I believe that the IBO does everything they can to make our experience a good one. I now think that Ken and his group needs to set down with Snowshoe and come up with a plan that will accomadate the weather situation. And I am sure we will here of such a plan before next year.
Pick a spot and shoot straight!
Pick a spot and shoot straight!
#9
Nontypical Buck
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From: Moravia NY USA
Well VB , you weren' t there and don' t shoot or support the IBO but could have done a better job and made decisions that all would have agreed with. Wow, I wish I had your abilities. Of course hindsight is always 20\20 but you seem to be gifted with 20/20 foresight. The IBO should look into putting your talent to work. I for one would not have wanted to make the calls that had to be made that affected thousands. Anyone who thinks that decisions were made to benefit short term monetary gains is a fool. The event has grown so large in such a short period of time that there has been and will continue to be problems. I however feel the staff has and will continue to work hard to make the Worlds an even better event. Those unwilling to appreciate what has been done and continue to see a half empty glass will not be missed by me. Steve
#10
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From: Morgantown WV USA
I would have been more prepared... Some Ideas to Stew on... Move the shoot down the mountain and still hold the Best of the Best, Eagle Eye, FBH, Practice Bails, and McKenzie Shoot Out on top of the mountain (Skidder Slope). OK then have snowshoe (if they want to keep this shoot they should respond willingly) HAVE MORE BUSES! to shuttle every one down the Mountain to the ranges. And since moving the ranges down the mountain will help. You can move the Defense Ranges on top to create a little more room for the ranges. Snowshoe has plenty of room down the mountain for the ranges to hold this shoot. Then last but not totally least important, HAVE MORE RANGES!!! If you have more ranges then if there is a problem that delays the shoot then you will have flexibility to set up a 1:00 pm start and still finish. I am not as pissed as some of the folks on here because I suck at these shoots but I like 90% of the others who never make it to Sunday do like to come up there and fling arrows. I also like to get my moneys worth!!! I was mostly dissapointed in the unpreparedness of the IBO officials...


