Face it Ulysses, the game commission could have the woods packed with deer and youd shoot a monster buck every year and then bitch because you had to drag it. Some people are never happy.
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PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANOTHER MEMBER.... AGAINST POSTING RULES

TinPa did you see quote marks around that statement??? Naw I didn't think you did. I was not quoting Smith there
But you can go to the Morning Calls edition today and read it for yourself

Why post it at all then?? You just committed yourself in posting something you know not to be the truth.

Give it up uly. We're (including the moderators) are tired of it.
Hope you don't get a paper cut. You might bleed to death with such thin skin.

I was kinda hoping we could discuss this thread without the arguing there fellers.
About the poll.If I would take the first 20 hunters I know and run a poll it would give these results.
18 out of 20 disagree with the present deer management system
But of those 20 19 would be satisfied with the overall job the PGC is doing.
We have gamelands in this state that are open to us for hunting anytime we feel the urge to hunt.The PGC has some good youth hunt programs.They also are trying to extend seasons and hunting oppertunities.In some cases like deer,too much.
Believe it or not they do habitat improvement on those gamelands with the little time,tools,workers,and money that they do have.
So if you seperated the issues between the overall job they are doing and deer management the results would greatly vary.Put them together and you'll end up with mixed results.Take deer management out of the poll completely and a very high percentage would support the PGC and their job ratings.Use deer management only and I believe the ratings would be very low.At least this is what I find in my little corner of the state.

PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANOTHER MEMBER.... AGAINST POSTING RULES

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OMG ROTFLMAO, your kidding right? you consider that a personal attack? Man you need to check out huntingpa.com

That simply is not true. The fact is that the PGC has failed to provide the scientific data to support the plan. When they claim that the habitat in 5 C can only support 6 DPSM ,while the overbrowsed habitat in 2 G can support 15 DPSM, it is obvious that the plan is not based on science or modern der management principles. When Alt claimed AR would double the number of 8+ point buck, that was not based on science ,but wishful thinking.

germain: Do I feel the OVERALL rating of the PGC is worthy of a "passing grade" yes i'd give it a C.
I long stated the PGC is better than nothing!
But as for their deer management F--
Here's a question to ask those 20 guys you are talking about..." if the PGC is doing a good job with deer management how is it we got to the point we are at?" another "if the PGC is doing acceptable work in the deer management why is it the head of the HOUSE GAME & FISHERIES COMMITTEE , Mr. Bruce Smith, himself has gone on record to deny even as much as thinking about a hike in lics. fees due to so many disgruntled hunter reports?"

We've been through this before. Pa's plan has been supported my many others state agencies as well as dozens of well respected biologists. It takes more than a fringe group of disgruntled hunters and an obscure outdoor writer to prove the present plan violates good management principles.

While all biologists support the basic concept of balancing the herd with the habitat, I'll bet you can't find a single biologist anywhere that will say that a SM of habitat in 2 G can support three times as many deer as a SM of habitat. Even Alt agreed that the habitat in 5C and 5 B can support more DPSM than 2 G.

Furthermore, I'll bet you can't find one biologist that would implement AR and add more deer to the overbrowsed habitat ,when the herd was more than double it's OWDD goal. face it , Alt was a buffon when it came to deer management but he ws a great salesman for a flawed plan.

I'll make anyone a bet. They can pick the place (other than a QDM meeting) with 50 deer hunters present...let us say a PGC meeting in Harrisburg...and I can show you a MAJORITY of those 50 that are both anti Alt programs and unhappy with the PGC's deer management.
Yesterday morning I was at a 3D shoot near my home . At sign in there was a simple 1 question letter required before sign in.... "As a Penna. deer hunter are you happy with the cuttrnt direction the PGC is taking with the deer herd?", we had 179 shooters and 173 of them checked the box NO!
now this was no offical authorized poll from some hot shot polling company, rather a simple question for simple deer hunters. That live in or visit this area.173/179 is a prteey significant # that aren't happy.