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the truth about Casey Burns
Everyone remember that poor 18 yr old pregnat girl that was hit in the head by a hunter's stray bullet in December/ The poor young lady whom Lisa Boscola ******ed to harrisburg to ask for further expansions of shotgun only areas. The poor young lady whom's family wasn't against hunting but only wanted to live in a safe area?
Well on tonight's 6 oclock news that poor victim of a woman whom sees her 15 minutes of fame wanning has NOW decided it is in her best interest to sue the poor guy that was shooting at a fox for her and her unbornm baby's suffering. Odd how now that this unintentional shooter has been found guilty she suddenly feels the need to sue the poor SOB isn't it? |
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IF SOME IDIOT SHOOTS AT FOX AND HITS ME money would not be all he lost.I agree sh!!!!!!!!t happens .Have you been to a hospital lately.My bill was $720.00 under 100 grand for my back.
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This was a freak accident, nothing more nothing less. [link]http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/ap/4/pa_pregnant_woman_shot[/link]
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bawanajim; if you knew anything about this case you'd know the man whom did the shooting was within the law to use a centerfire rifle where he was doing the shooting . and as pointed out it was a freak accident with the bullet traveling a great distance. The only law this guy broke was shooting at a fox in deer season. yet the local press hammered the guy. It should be noted the local press is 100% anti gun/hunting.
Burns wants to make $ off some poor guy whom had an accident. From day one most people that knew of the case knew the Burns family was going after $$ but had to allow the judical system to play it's habd agains the shooter first. While Burns was hit unintentionally with a bullet in whitehall Twsp. only days later a kid was killed by a car just up the street , it got 1 small paragraph in the local section of the paper. While Burns still renders front page coverage....hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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The only law this guy broke was shooting at a fox in deer season. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Although my client broke the law when he shot at that fox, it was just a freak accident that an illegally bullet traveled on to a point where Miss Burns managed to get in the way of it. My client is the victim here, after all, he only thought he was poaching a fox. Now Ms Burns expects him to pay for the damage he did to her head. What the heck was she doing sitting in that car anyway?[:'(][:'(][:'(] He shot her for crying out loud  !!! OOPS! is not a valid defense. This aint about some old bat spilling McDonalds coffee in her lap. This is about a guy deciding to pull the trigger when he knew it was wrong and someone was seriously hurt as a result!!! |
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He shot into a safety zone. You are responsible for where your bullet travels.
I don't see where the outrage or suprise is in the filing of a lawsuit. |
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AMEN BTB and T_in_PA3.
Let's see the truth about Casey Burns Unsafe hunter Poacher violated fundemental hunting rules and NRA safety rules. Maybe gonna go to jail for it, gonna get sued, gonna pay a fine ans sure as hell the guy shouldn't be out hunting or really anywhere near a gun. I would love to know his version of it...no I didn't shoot at a skylined deer.... Jesus. |
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BT & others if you knew as much about this case as you presume to I do believe you would pipe down.
BT you would do yourself justice to not practice jailhouse law and stick to spreading PGC propoganda. I will readily admit to not being as well versed in some subjects as I could be ... BUT...I dare say I have a few too many years under my shingle to not make fools of your arguements. The truth about Casey Burns is from day one she and her family went after the $ ( $ BTW she will have one heck of a time trying to collect regardless of what the liberal courts rule) Whitehall Twsp lies on the edge of the Lehigh valley right up next to Allentown, Bethlehem, Easton,Reading where rarely a night passes without drive by shootings, over doses, murder,etc. Yet Casey Burns makes front page news...as a sportsman I would think you'd like to ask the liberal press why? tragic accident yes, intent no ( BT remember those 5 words for as you will eventually learn in your jailhouse practice there is no disernable crime without intent) What Wetzel was convicted of was causing an injury to a human while shooting at a deer, a second degree misdemeaner, and shooting at a fox after he shot at the deer, stick to telling all of ignorant fools just how Pa has way too many deer. Then think real hard an try to remember where EVERY shot you've fired via bow or gun EVERY ONE you ever took in your life at game or target ended up. Oh you may think they hit the backstop but do you REALLY know that???? could it have careened off at a 180 degree angle from the back stop??? unless you actually have the spent bullet in your hand as proof you my dear cell block legal eagle have no proof that it didn't actually hit some old lady sipping tea at a Mc Donald's do you???? Think hard before you condemm a man legally hunting on open property whom had the unfortunate accident to have his bullet hit someone the better part of 1 mile away! |
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Sorry, but, when you squeeze the trigger, you are responsible for where that projectile goes. Period. Would society be better off with him in jail? I wouldn't think so but he certainly is financially responsible for her injuries.
If I go speedng down an icy road at 80 miles an hour (a summary offense, not even a misdemeanor) and plow into a school bus full of kids, I may not be a criminal but I would be responsible. If, as said here, he shot at something on the skyline, that is completely reckless. Even a box of 22 shells says danger, range 1 mile! The liberal press will certainly make hay out of the story but any hunter stupid enough to publicly berate the girl who got shot is helping fan the anti-gun/anti-hunter flames. |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter Sorry, but, when you squeeze the trigger, you are responsible for where that projectile goes. Period. Would society be better off with him in jail? I wouldn't think so but he certainly is financially responsible for her injuries. If I go speeding down an icy road at 80 miles an hour (a summary offense, not even a misdemeanor) and plow into a school bus full of kids, I may not be a criminal but I would be responsible. If, as said here, he shot at something on the skyline, that is completely reckless. Even a box of 22 shells says danger, range 1 mile! The liberal press will certainly make hay out of the story but any hunter stupid enough to publicly berate the girl who got shot is helping fan the anti-gun/anti-hunter flames. The guy your talking about here? BT before you speak to loud you know It could be you next time. Shooting at a skyline happens every day. But in your case it could be a ricochet target shooting at the club. I'm not saying he's not responsible just asking you to think about it. |
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He pulled the trigger he faces the consequences. Its that simple! I feel sorry for him but I feel more sorry for the girl that got shot. I have 1 question. If it was your wife or girlfriend that was pregnant. Would you be saying? Honey it was only a stray bullet. The guy didnt mean it we should let him go. I highly doubt it!
I dont know all the details of the case. But I am pretty sure you could shoot fox during rifle season as long as you have a furtakers permit.:eek: |
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Man I don't see what is so hard to understand here wingbar. He pulled the trigger. He is responsible for that bullet. I am a HTE instructor and this is one of the MAJOR rules of handling a firearm that is taught. It's not rocket science by any stretch. If he was hunting in the middle of Tioga SF and accidently killed another hunter HE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BULLET THE SAME AS THIS CASE!
As far as the media and thier coverage of it, that's another topic. |
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ORIGINAL: T_in_PA3 Man I don't see what is so hard to understand here wingbar. He pulled the trigger. He is responsible for that bullet. I am a HTE instructor and this is one of the MAJOR rules of handling a firearm that is taught. It's not rocket science by any stretch. If he was hunting in the middle of Tioga SF and accidently killed another hunter HE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BULLET THE SAME AS THIS CASE! As far as the media and thier coverage of it, that's another topic. |
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The only way an accident like this could be avoided in the future is if every hunter made sure there was a solid backg round behind his intended target every time he took a shot at game and that is simply impossible. Man I'm glad I don't hunt with some of you. I really don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend. Game Commission investigators allege Wetzel was ''careless and negligent'' when he shot at the deer without a safe backstop between the animal and homes. The trajectory of Wetzel's shot, investigators said, was directly in line with Burns' driveway |
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Well on tonight's 6 oclock news that poor victim of a woman whom sees her 15 minutes of fame wanning has NOW decided it is in her best interest to sue the poor guy that was shooting at a fox for her and her unbornm baby's suffering. Some of you guys are rediculuous. |
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T what I think is she had her unwanted 15 minutes of fame NOW wishes to extend that as well as profit from it
For the record Wetzel is guilty of causing injury to a human, unintentionally. Not a list of emotional charges that you seem to be adding. Trust in the fact that could the PGC have found other charges to levee on Mr. Wetzel they surely would have. the truth is they had no case other than what they charged him with. What you are not grasping is Ms. Burns is now trying to profit from an unintentional accident...in my book that is morally wrong. worse than that is she and her mother are doing their utmost to strtch that 15 minutes into hours an the liberal anti gun or sucking it up. Ps T. smart ploy ...trying to get a topic deleted because you are loosing an argument. We all know a few of you have tried that before. |
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trying to get a topic deleted Litigation is the American way now a days. I had a buddy who accidently shot someone in small game season about 20 years ago. PGC filed their charges then he was sued for liability. Heck, I testified in court on it. I know all about. It sucks yeah but is it any suprise??? If someone shot you accidently you would not go after them for damages? Once again, you pull the trigger you are responsible for that bullet. Plain & simple. |
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apparently the PGC thought he was only reposible to the extent of a misdemeaner, and that is what the PGC charged him with nothing more nothing less.
The Wetzel/Burns case is that simple. All the emotional antics attached with it are emotional anitcs, all your comparisons of "your buddies shooting", etc. have nothing to do with the Wetzel/Burns case. Your "well he pulled the trigger" logic is not what the PGC themselves charged Wetzel with . Does every shooter need to be aware of his line of fire,certainly! But What you don't get is the fact Mr Wetzel was aware of his line of fire and background, and it was clear. It was what he couldn't see beyond the orchard that caused the accident. |
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Casey Burns will more than likely win this case, We as shooters must know whats on the other side of the trees and thickets. Thats why I drive 3hrs away from 5B to 2G. not to many places left in 5B, 5C. That you can fire a rifle and know where the bullet will end up. Even though Burns was shot in 3D there is still a lot of houses around.
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lost horn: well then wouldn't her case be better directed at the PGC themselves? It is afterall the PGC's law that allows centerfire rifles to be used in that section of 3d.The PGC in their normal ineptness has dropped the ball at extending the shotgun only areas to keep inline with suburbia. hmmmmmmmm might be NOW some of you see where Ms. Burn's civil atty. is surely headed, knowing full well actuall damages will be next to impossible to claim from a citizen with limited funds.
Ms.Burns' atty. will be fronting well over $100,000 in fees to progress with this suit from his own pocket. Do any of you REALLY think he is going to settle for restitution of maybe <$75/mth from Wetzel should the case be awarded monetary settlement? Now enter in the PGC an the pot of gold begins to glow!!!!!!! Yes you can thank Ms. Burns' greed in trying to profit from an accident in a not so distant future , when the woefully undefunder PGC dropps yet more wildlife programs from it's budget. ** Just like Pa deer management....things aren't always as they first appear!!!!! |
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Man I need to get waders. My muck boots just aren't high enough.
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T that is EXACTLY the type of comment an ostrich makes just before he pulls his head out of the sand . Yup! it'll never happen to the PGC, Ms. Burns will be happy with a apology, no civil lawyer will take her case for free,naw no way. Heck you'd be safe enough to cancel your car insurance too. Human nature doesn't lend itself to greed..... Who needs it???????????????????????????
please do :) |
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Its real simple, something they said in my kids HTE course over and over................
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT'S BEYOND My 12 year old understands that. Apparently some here don't. Thsi isn't about a wild ricochet, it is about direct line of fire! |
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1. The guy was found GUILTY of "shooting at or causing injury to human beings, a misdemeanor of the second degree, and damage to property, a summary offense."
2. I don't need a law degree, a PhD, or even a high school education to figure out that he's guilty when he pleads to it. To that end the guy is UNSAFE, a known poacher (as he admitted to that but got out of it based ont he plea). This is NO ONES fault but his own. I don't care if the woman gets a trillion bucks. She wasn't looking to be part of this, nor did she take active part in being shot. She was sitting in her car for chirst sakes. I'm as pro gun and pro hunting as they get, I'm an NRA Instructor and a State Hunter Education Instrutor trained to the standards of the IHEA and IBO. There is NO WAY this was anything but careless hunting. Lets think about it: The bullet traveld, some people say, 7/10 of a mile so that's 3696 feet or 1232 yards. Now if he was using 7mm mag figure anywhere from 33 to 46 of drop at 500 yards. Yet this bullet was 732 yards past that and was high enough to his someone in the head which would put the bullet about 3 feet off the ground. Now WTF kind of shot do you have to make to get a bullet that follows that kind of trajectory and will be that high off the ground? Any guesses? You either have to be shooting from the top of a hill down into a valley or you have to be shooting up and over a hill line and have no clue whats beyond. Now if he was shooting down into a valley, he sure as heck would have been able to see the house and car - so giving him the benefit of the doubt as they said it was careless and reckless, with no intent, the down into the valley shoot is out. SOooo that leave the ONLY other type of shot, a skyline or uphill, with no concern with what's beyond the ridge. Remember this: "Be sure of your target and what's beyond", sound familiar? If it doesn't or if you been hunting so long that you forgot it, STAY OUT OF THE WOODS. You are not a sportsman, you are not a hunter, you are a DANGER to everyone that is. |
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ORIGINAL: sot_II Damn it shocks me how stupid some people are. 1. The guy was found GUILTY of "shooting at or causing injury to human beings, a misdemeanor of the second degree, and damage to property, a summary offense." 2. I don't need a law degree, a PhD, or even a high school education to figure out that he's guilty when he pleads to it. To that end the guy is UNSAFE, a known poacher (as he admitted to that but got out of it based ont he plea). This is NO ONES fault but his own. I don't care if the woman gets a trillion bucks. She wasn't looking to be part of this, nor did she take active part in being shot. She was sitting in her car for Christ sakes. I'm as pro gun and pro hunting as they get, I'm an NRA Instructor and a State Hunter Education Instructor trained to the standards of the IHEA and IBO. There is NO WAY this was anything but careless hunting. Lets think about it: The bullet traveled, some people say, 7/10 of a mile so that's 3696 feet or 1232 yards. Now if he was using 7mm mag figure anywhere from 33 to 46 of drop at 500 yards. Yet this bullet was 732 yards past that and was high enough to his someone in the head which would put the bullet about 3 feet off the ground. Now WTF kind of shot do you have to make to get a bullet that follows that kind of trajectory and will be that high off the ground? Any guesses? You either have to be shooting from the top of a hill down into a valley or you have to be shooting up and over a hill line and have no clue whats beyond. Now if he was shooting down into a valley, he sure as heck would have been able to see the house and car - so giving him the benefit of the doubt as they said it was careless and reckless, with no intent, the down into the valley shoot is out. SOooo that leave the ONLY other type of shot, a skyline or uphill, with no concern with what's beyond the ridge. Remember this: "Be sure of your target and what's beyond", sound familiar? If it doesn't or if you been hunting so long that you forgot it, STAY OUT OF THE WOODS. You are not a sportsman, you are not a hunter, you are a DANGER to everyone that is. Guilty yes did he do it on purpose no. Instructor are you telling us you never took a shot that didn't have a full back stop behind it?:eek::eek:[>:] |
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sot & Bt apparently you guys think you know more about this case than the PGC themself! because after the investigation the PGC was only able to produce charges that account to a misdemeaner an shooting at a furbearer without a FT lisc.
what's the use trying to enlighten a couple of cell block legal eagles to the law!!! But the fact remains ........accident without criminal intent, and Burns is a money grubber! end of discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I'm an NRA Instructor and a State Hunter Education Instrutor trained to the standards of the IHEA and IBO. Tell them the right thing to do instead of all this don't, don't, don't. Someone has already said it here, you are taking a chance everytime you pull the trigger, it comes with the game. |
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I am saying without a doubt that I NEVER took a shot that I didn't now where the bullet was going to land on the far side. PURE and SIMPLE. In fact 99% of the shots I've taken have been where I could actually see the impact of the round down range..
To that end "be sure of your target and what is beyond"...you gotta be one unsafe hunter not knowing what's beyond and again follow the trajectory, there is NO WAY he could have taken a safe shot. He basically had to "mortar" that round...if you need a picture drawn I can certainly do it for you. |
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There's a difference between taking a risk and taking an unsafe shot. There is no way that this was a safe shot, and if you think it could be, stay out of the woods. It's very simple.
The guy was guilty of shooting at a PERSON...is that a "safe shot" would he have been fined had all these legal problems if it were a "safe and responsible shot"? No. Lawsuits and hungry lawyers aside are not part of the equation. And yes a resposnbilbe hunter takes game out of season...right. ORIGINAL: Maineguide5424 I'm an NRA Instructor and a State Hunter Education Instrutor trained to the standards of the IHEA and IBO. Tell them the right thing to do instead of all this don't, don't, don't. Someone has already said it here, you are taking a chance everytime you pull the trigger, it comes with the game. |
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Did you not read the same article? He Plead out for a reduced charge.
He plead GUILTY to SHOOTING at a person. And just an FYI, his getting fined and his potential incarceration and loss of license are about his lack of responsibility, not about any other lawsuit that might come up because of his stupidity in the field. ORIGINAL: wingbar sot & Bt apparently you guys think you know more about this case than the PGC themself! because after the investigation the PGC was only able to produce charges that account to a misdemeaner an shooting at a furbearer without a FT lisc. what's the use trying to enlighten a couple of cell block legal eagles to the law!!! But the fact remains ........accident without criminal intent, and Burns is a money grubber! end of discussion!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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after the investigation the PGC was only able to produce charges that account to a misdemeaner an shooting at a furbearer without a FT lisc Wetzel said only ''yes'' when asked by District Judge Patricia Warmkessel of South Whitehall Township if he understood the plea to charges under the state Game and Wildlife Code. Those charges are shooting at or causing injury to human beings, a misdemeanor of the second degree, and damage to property, a summary offense. Game Commission investigators allege Wetzel was ''careless and negligent'' when he shot at the deer without a safe backstop between the animal and homes. The trajectory of Wetzel's shot, investigators said, was directly in line with Burns' driveway. Two other charges against Wetzel — another count of shooting at or injuring a human being and firing through a safety zone — were withdrawn as part of the plea. He also pleaded guilty to shooting at a fox out of season after firing at the deer. |
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quote: Game Commission investigators allege Wetzel was ''careless and negligent'' when he shot at the deer without a safe backstop between the animal and homes. The trajectory of Wetzel's shot, investigators said, was directly in line with Burns' driveway. |
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The kid shot at a Fox in Deer season. That was a fatal mistake for this kid. My understanding from reading this thread, is the kid was convicted in criminal court. Its now a "cival" matter. If this was my wife - I would do the same thing! How much she is entitled to is the million $$ question. What is reasonble compensation. If the kid/man has a homeowners policy,he should be covered under policy.
The woman no matter what her intentions were or are then or now should be entitled to some sort of compensation from this kid(who was negligent/convicted). I don't know about PA but in most jurisdictions I've ever heard of - No intent or Negligance need be proven in a cival matter. His bullet struck her in the head. Thats the down and dirty fact. The fact he WAS convicted in criminal court is icing on the cake. Remember the O.J. Simpson fiasco trial. He was equitted of double murder but later had to pay millions in a cival suit. But - O.J. Didn't do it because the glove didn't fit. My .02 |
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I can't believe we have people who call temselves hunters defending the indefensible. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesnt understand the concept of taking responsibility for where you bullet goes doesn't deserve tio be in the woods with a gun! This isn't a gray area.
I do not have first hand knowledge of this case but this much should be obvious to anyone. If it was a direct line of fire incident and not a ricohet then she should own his a$$ when this is over. One doesn't need legal training to to recognize that. Defending him here is more damaging to us than anything any antigun, antihunting wacko can spew out. |
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I can't believe we have people who call temselves hunters defending the indefensible. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesnt understand the concept of taking responsibility for where you bullet goes doesn't deserve tio be in the woods with a gun! This isn't a gray area. I can't believe that you expect hunters to only take shots where there is a solid backstop visible in the immediate area of the deer. Anytime soneone fires at a deer on level groung in the woods , that bullet has the potential to hit some thing other the intended target. If the hunter in question fired into an orchard of trees with no houses visible it would be no different than a hunter two hundred yds into a woodlot shooting toward the edge of the woodlot. Most hunters would consider that to be a safe shot, because they would expect the bullet to hit a tree and there may be only one chance in a thousand where it wouldn't, but it definitely can happen. |
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beenthere,
Your expectations are very much different than any safe hunter then. |
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I hope the mods decide to delete this thread. I'm embarassed as a hunter that it is even a subject for discussion.
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter I hope the mods decide to delete this thread. I'm embarassed as a hunter that it is even a subject for discussion. |
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I do not have first hand knowledge of this case but this much should be obvious to anyone. If it was a direct line of fire incident and not a ricohet then she should own his a$$ when this is over. One doesn't need legal training to to recognize that. Furthermore , I doubt if very many hunters in a woodlot could accurately locate the houses within half a mile of that would lot unless they were visible. BTW, you need more than legal training , you need some common sense and the realization that accidents do happen even when we are doing our best to hunt safely. In fact, I belive there was an acident this year where a hunter was shot by another hunter in the woods and the PGC found that the hunter that was hit was not visible to the hunter that fired the shot. Should that hunter be sued and loose everything he has? |
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You just dont get it do ya?[:'(]
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