You are right that there are many other variables that I could have included in my example ,but that would have made it a lot more complicated and harder to understand. Even, the fact that I used net recruitment instead of the total number of fawns introduced into the fall herd , made it more confusing. I said the net fawn recruitment was ten, but accounting for 10%non-hunting mortality of adult deer, that means there were actually 12 fawns introduced into the fall herd.

So ,to keep the herd stable, one still has to harvest 10 deer, but it changes the age distribution of the harvest required.

ddear,
I guess the point I was trying to make is that there is a minimum level of complexity that has to be attained before a discussion on this topic is meaningfull. No offense but I just don't think the question or answer you proposed got to that level.

Look, I'm not I'm not trying to upset anybody, and didn't take offense to any of the comments made, but looking for a solution using complex variables isn't going to accomplish a stable herd. In my opinion,all it does is further confuse the issues,and start arguments that aren't needed.

ARROWCHUCKER wrote: So how would you propose management decisions are made?

Now I clicked on the Reply for ARROWCHUCKER's comment but my post says in reply to ddear. What am I doing wrong?

Duh,,,,,,,,,,,, I think i'll go fishin.

Sylvan,

once you respond in a thread to another poster, all responses after that are directed to that same person no matter whose message you click respond on next time.

BTW, you did a great job of pointing out what we all were thinking. I simplified my response by just pointing out that there was too much "wiggle room" built into DD's question but you took the time to spell that out.

no apologies necessary!

As always, everyone is entitled to their opinion ,but IMHO my example can be used to demonstarte basic concepts.

For example, if hunters were to pass on all 12 fawns in oder to save BB two things would happen. The B/D ratio would not remain at 1: 2 and in order to keep the herd stable more adult doe would have to beharvested ,so recruitment would drop significantly. Non hunting mortality would also increase since fawns and yearlings have the highest moratality rates , so sustainable harvets would decrease even though the OW herd remained at 21 DPSM.

I had a computer problem that caused a double post.

Sylvan, I wouldn't be ableto propose a decision, I let them.

I know,I know, that's how we got into this mess, right? I personally don't think the situation is that bad.

Damn! You guys have done it again, you're dragging me into this.

No more, have a nice day