PA Harvest Information
01-14-2005, 08:38 PM
#1
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: cazenovia, NY USA
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PA Harvest Information
Anyone want to take bets on how the harvest plays out for 2004? The buck harvest should be down - right? The doe harvest too - Right?
I'm guessing 125,000 bucks and 255,000 anterless = 380,000 total - more like the 1980s & 1990s levels - but with the proportions different for antlerless/antlered deer.
I know I'm stirring a hornets Nest - But I don't see where the PGC has done anything other than what they said they were going to do - Here's some historical data that kind of illustrates the harvest over the years - Its like a Runaway Train - I still can't understand how hunters in PA (and several other states like NY) can't see how this trend cannot be perpetuated?
I realize its PGC Data - but you don't fudge numbers like this.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/v...a=493&q=159232
Truthfully - (same in NY) - hunters were getting used to seeing - and harvesting these deer numbers.
I'm at a loss when people tell me they were lucky to see one or two deer all season - yet the harvest climbs every year.
In NY - its amazing how many people complain about the number of doe permits issued - and when the state cuts back to "correct the population" everyone says "I told you so - there's too many permits issued and the deer numbers dropped because of it!" Frankly those statements are ignorant and lame.
If you really care- if you really want to know - go to your local (in NY) regional office and ask to see the county data. Both from harvest information, and surveys as well.
I'm guessing 125,000 bucks and 255,000 anterless = 380,000 total - more like the 1980s & 1990s levels - but with the proportions different for antlerless/antlered deer.
I know I'm stirring a hornets Nest - But I don't see where the PGC has done anything other than what they said they were going to do - Here's some historical data that kind of illustrates the harvest over the years - Its like a Runaway Train - I still can't understand how hunters in PA (and several other states like NY) can't see how this trend cannot be perpetuated?
I realize its PGC Data - but you don't fudge numbers like this.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/v...a=493&q=159232
Truthfully - (same in NY) - hunters were getting used to seeing - and harvesting these deer numbers.
I'm at a loss when people tell me they were lucky to see one or two deer all season - yet the harvest climbs every year.
In NY - its amazing how many people complain about the number of doe permits issued - and when the state cuts back to "correct the population" everyone says "I told you so - there's too many permits issued and the deer numbers dropped because of it!" Frankly those statements are ignorant and lame.
If you really care- if you really want to know - go to your local (in NY) regional office and ask to see the county data. Both from harvest information, and surveys as well.
01-14-2005, 09:02 PM
#2
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 1,149
RE: PA Harvest Information
The deer populations are increasing in sw and se PA because of private land closed to public hunting.The deer numbers have decreased by 2/3 on public lands in PA.If the numbers aren't fudged,WMU's with alot of public land will see the lowest harvests they have in a long long time.The butchers,taxidermists,and hunters in these public land areas have already reported.
01-16-2005, 08:45 AM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 1,149
RE: PA Harvest Information
cardeer,other hunters and the pgc will tell you to move to where the deer are.Yet they want us to keep the herd down where we hunt?Wish they'd make up my mind.
Or they might tell you the deer are up top,back in,or in the valleys,anything but there's no deer.
Some areas are approaching no deer at all within miles.Will these areas ever rebound?Might have to transplant them agan like so many years ago.Speaking of which,the PGC always brings up the times when the state did have to transplant deer back into areas because they got wiped out.Yet they're taking us back to that scenerio again.
If anybody doesn't believe this don't take my word for it,shoot me a PM and I'll give you plenty of places to go see foryourself.The deer sign tells all.
Or they might tell you the deer are up top,back in,or in the valleys,anything but there's no deer.
Some areas are approaching no deer at all within miles.Will these areas ever rebound?Might have to transplant them agan like so many years ago.Speaking of which,the PGC always brings up the times when the state did have to transplant deer back into areas because they got wiped out.Yet they're taking us back to that scenerio again.
If anybody doesn't believe this don't take my word for it,shoot me a PM and I'll give you plenty of places to go see foryourself.The deer sign tells all.
01-16-2005, 09:48 AM
#6
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pa.
Posts: 554
RE: PA Harvest Information
ORIGINAL: farm hunter
Anyone want to take bets on how the harvest plays out for 2004? The buck harvest should be down - right? The doe harvest too - Right?
I'm guessing 125,000 bucks and 255,000 anterless = 380,000 total - more like the 1980s & 1990s levels - but with the proportions different for antlerless/antlered deer.
I know I'm stirring a hornets Nest - But I don't see where the PGC has done anything other than what they said they were going to do - Here's some historical data that kind of illustrates the harvest over the years - Its like a Runaway Train - I still can't understand how hunters in PA (and several other states like NY) can't see how this trend cannot be perpetuated?
I realize its PGC Data - but you don't fudge numbers like this.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/v...a=493&q=159232
Truthfully - (same in NY) - hunters were getting used to seeing - and harvesting these deer numbers.
I'm at a loss when people tell me they were lucky to see one or two deer all season - yet the harvest climbs every year.
In NY - its amazing how many people complain about the number of doe permits issued - and when the state cuts back to "correct the population" everyone says "I told you so - there's too many permits issued and the deer numbers dropped because of it!" Frankly those statements are ignorant and lame.
If you really care- if you really want to know - go to your local (in NY) regional office and ask to see the county data. Both from harvest information, and surveys as well.
Anyone want to take bets on how the harvest plays out for 2004? The buck harvest should be down - right? The doe harvest too - Right?
I'm guessing 125,000 bucks and 255,000 anterless = 380,000 total - more like the 1980s & 1990s levels - but with the proportions different for antlerless/antlered deer.
I know I'm stirring a hornets Nest - But I don't see where the PGC has done anything other than what they said they were going to do - Here's some historical data that kind of illustrates the harvest over the years - Its like a Runaway Train - I still can't understand how hunters in PA (and several other states like NY) can't see how this trend cannot be perpetuated?
I realize its PGC Data - but you don't fudge numbers like this.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/v...a=493&q=159232
Truthfully - (same in NY) - hunters were getting used to seeing - and harvesting these deer numbers.
I'm at a loss when people tell me they were lucky to see one or two deer all season - yet the harvest climbs every year.
In NY - its amazing how many people complain about the number of doe permits issued - and when the state cuts back to "correct the population" everyone says "I told you so - there's too many permits issued and the deer numbers dropped because of it!" Frankly those statements are ignorant and lame.
If you really care- if you really want to know - go to your local (in NY) regional office and ask to see the county data. Both from harvest information, and surveys as well.
01-16-2005, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Posts: 255
RE: PA Harvest Information
"One of those policymakers, Roxane Palone, southwestern Pennsylvania's representative to the state Game Commission, said she was comfortable with the current deer hunting regulations, and that sometimes getting a deer just means moving to a new area."
hehehe...classic
good to see, before the January meeting that people like Commissioner Palone have not quite caught on...
Maybe some people should write her and tell her about thier year.
hehehe...classic
good to see, before the January meeting that people like Commissioner Palone have not quite caught on...
Maybe some people should write her and tell her about thier year.