Deer Drives NJ
01-12-2005, 07:32 PM
#1
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Location: Wilmington Delaware USA
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Deer Drives NJ
I no longer hunt NJ for Deer, but my father does so this post is for him.
My father has either sex permits for zones 28 and 29. He only hunts public ground. From what he has told me, either he or other he knows have seen the WMAs he hunts driven hard by local clubs. Most of these lands border salt marshes. Hence, the deer not killed are driven deep into the meadows, only to emerge long after dark.
Its time to put an end to this madness. I have nothing against a small push with 2- 4 hunters trying to move some deer in ther favor, but these massive drives have to end. Esp on public land. From what I've read, the DEP Commish isnt a big fan of hunting. Maybe now is the time for a NJ resident who's fed up with this method to act.
Im not saying a drive ban should be state wide. If you own property, or lease your land out and think hunters moving through like the Nazi's through the Arden in 1944 killing everything in sight is cool, so be it. But hunters who rely on public land for hunting shouldnt be subject to this kind of hunting tactic.
Just my 2 cents.
My father has either sex permits for zones 28 and 29. He only hunts public ground. From what he has told me, either he or other he knows have seen the WMAs he hunts driven hard by local clubs. Most of these lands border salt marshes. Hence, the deer not killed are driven deep into the meadows, only to emerge long after dark.
Its time to put an end to this madness. I have nothing against a small push with 2- 4 hunters trying to move some deer in ther favor, but these massive drives have to end. Esp on public land. From what I've read, the DEP Commish isnt a big fan of hunting. Maybe now is the time for a NJ resident who's fed up with this method to act.
Im not saying a drive ban should be state wide. If you own property, or lease your land out and think hunters moving through like the Nazi's through the Arden in 1944 killing everything in sight is cool, so be it. But hunters who rely on public land for hunting shouldnt be subject to this kind of hunting tactic.
Just my 2 cents.
01-12-2005, 08:01 PM
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RE: Deer Drives NJ
I don't think hunter's should try and ban any style of hunting in NJ. Get the ball rolling, who knows where it would stop. I live in this area. by a canoe and kill some monsters if you think its needed. I guide a piece of ground that butts up to the salt marsh and state ground and there is aways lots of shooting, dogs and men in the field. From Sept. thru April, still see deer al the time. They are marsh deer and yes thier big and different. Us local men take our boats out and set in small island, always see or shoot nice deer. It's hunting. These same drives push deer to hunters that would not likely see anything.
ORIGINAL: Duckmastor2
I no longer hunt NJ for Deer, but my father does so this post is for him.
My father has either sex permits for zones 28 and 29. He only hunts public ground. From what he has told me, either he or other he knows have seen the WMAs he hunts driven hard by local clubs. Most of these lands border salt marshes. Hence, the deer not killed are driven deep into the meadows, only to emerge long after dark.
Its time to put an end to this madness. I have nothing against a small push with 2- 4 hunters trying to move some deer in ther favor, but these massive drives have to end. Esp on public land. From what I've read, the DEP Commish isnt a big fan of hunting. Maybe now is the time for a NJ resident who's fed up with this method to act.
Im not saying a drive ban should be state wide. If you own property, or lease your land out and think hunters moving through like the Nazi's through the Arden in 1944 killing everything in sight is cool, so be it. But hunters who rely on public land for hunting shouldnt be subject to this kind of hunting tactic.
Just my 2 cents.
I no longer hunt NJ for Deer, but my father does so this post is for him.
My father has either sex permits for zones 28 and 29. He only hunts public ground. From what he has told me, either he or other he knows have seen the WMAs he hunts driven hard by local clubs. Most of these lands border salt marshes. Hence, the deer not killed are driven deep into the meadows, only to emerge long after dark.
Its time to put an end to this madness. I have nothing against a small push with 2- 4 hunters trying to move some deer in ther favor, but these massive drives have to end. Esp on public land. From what I've read, the DEP Commish isnt a big fan of hunting. Maybe now is the time for a NJ resident who's fed up with this method to act.
Im not saying a drive ban should be state wide. If you own property, or lease your land out and think hunters moving through like the Nazi's through the Arden in 1944 killing everything in sight is cool, so be it. But hunters who rely on public land for hunting shouldnt be subject to this kind of hunting tactic.
Just my 2 cents.
01-13-2005, 01:36 PM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: the woods of NJ.
Posts: 5,643
RE: Deer Drives NJ
My father has either sex permits for zones 28 and 29. He only hunts public ground. From what he has told me, either he or other he knows have seen the WMAs he hunts driven hard by local clubs. Most of these lands border salt marshes. Hence, the deer not killed are driven deep into the meadows, only to emerge long after dark.
Nobody is forcing him to hunt the areas that are driven. There is plenty of state land away from roads where he would not be bothered.Or get into those marshes and wait for the deer to come to him. Sounds more like a plan than a predicament.
01-13-2005, 02:39 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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RE: Deer Drives NJ
Fellow hunters please don't take this with any disrespect but.....
My license fees pay for "public land" just like yours do.
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
Why don't people that have an issue with "drives" buy/lease private land and hunt it?
Many a time we have pushed bucks to stand hunters and they walked out of the woods with a nice one. Also, many a time the deer out smart the club hunters and lay down and wait for them to pass.
Sounds like the gun control argument guys only switched around to "individuals hunters" against "club hunters".
Example:
Shotgunners hate pistol people
Pistol people hate rifle people
Everybody hates military guns, etc.
Be carefull what you wish for.........
First they came to stop the club hunters because driving deer was inhumane...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they came for the tree stand hunters because they hurt the trees...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they banned all hunting because it was cruel to the animals!!!!
I looked around and nobody was left to help me fight it.
There is power in numbers guys. lets not fight amongst ourselves.
RW3
My license fees pay for "public land" just like yours do.
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
Why don't people that have an issue with "drives" buy/lease private land and hunt it?
Many a time we have pushed bucks to stand hunters and they walked out of the woods with a nice one. Also, many a time the deer out smart the club hunters and lay down and wait for them to pass.
Sounds like the gun control argument guys only switched around to "individuals hunters" against "club hunters".
Example:
Shotgunners hate pistol people
Pistol people hate rifle people
Everybody hates military guns, etc.
Be carefull what you wish for.........
First they came to stop the club hunters because driving deer was inhumane...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they came for the tree stand hunters because they hurt the trees...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they banned all hunting because it was cruel to the animals!!!!
I looked around and nobody was left to help me fight it.
There is power in numbers guys. lets not fight amongst ourselves.
RW3
01-13-2005, 05:09 PM
#6
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren County NJ USA
Posts: 3,899
RE: Deer Drives NJ
Well leasing land in NJ for hunting isnt easy, and very time consuming, plus alot of hunters cant afford the large price of the lease, then you said buy land? Can you afford to purchase land here in NJ?
Public Land hunters have to deal with many things which include other hunters that are hunting deer or small game, the general public who are allowed to hike, bird watch or whatever they want to do, the hunters dont need anymore problems. You have just as much right to be hunting the public land, but why add more problems to the hunters who only hunt once aweek, allow them there time to enjoy nature and the hunt.
I hunt public land, and there is a large group that drive the deer, we hunt so deep the drivers dont even come close to us, but we do here them yelling, and screaming. When I'm hunting I dont need to hear this crap, just shut up and hunt
Public Land hunters have to deal with many things which include other hunters that are hunting deer or small game, the general public who are allowed to hike, bird watch or whatever they want to do, the hunters dont need anymore problems. You have just as much right to be hunting the public land, but why add more problems to the hunters who only hunt once aweek, allow them there time to enjoy nature and the hunt.
I hunt public land, and there is a large group that drive the deer, we hunt so deep the drivers dont even come close to us, but we do here them yelling, and screaming. When I'm hunting I dont need to hear this crap, just shut up and hunt
01-13-2005, 06:11 PM
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RE: Deer Drives NJ
Ray, I agree with you 100%. Most people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope! I'm a outdoorsmen! I hunt, fish and trap. I laugh when running my beagles on state land and a deer hunter only comes up and says " hey I'm deer hunting here." I laugh and say " OK well I'm rabbit gunning here. Sept.-Feb. isn't enough time. Kiss my a**. And away running dogs is what I do.
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ORIGINAL: RAY WOODROW 3RD
Fellow hunters please don't take this with any disrespect but.....
My license fees pay for "public land" just like yours do.
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
Why don't people that have an issue with "drives" buy/lease private land and hunt it?
Many a time we have pushed bucks to stand hunters and they walked out of the woods with a nice one. Also, many a time the deer out smart the club hunters and lay down and wait for them to pass.
Sounds like the gun control argument guys only switched around to "individuals hunters" against "club hunters".
Example:
Shotgunners hate pistol people
Pistol people hate rifle people
Everybody hates military guns, etc.
Be carefull what you wish for.........
First they came to stop the club hunters because driving deer was inhumane...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they came for the tree stand hunters because they hurt the trees...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they banned all hunting because it was cruel to the animals!!!!
I looked around and nobody was left to help me fight it.
There is power in numbers guys. lets not fight amongst ourselves.
RW3
Fellow hunters please don't take this with any disrespect but.....
My license fees pay for "public land" just like yours do.
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
Why don't people that have an issue with "drives" buy/lease private land and hunt it?
Many a time we have pushed bucks to stand hunters and they walked out of the woods with a nice one. Also, many a time the deer out smart the club hunters and lay down and wait for them to pass.
Sounds like the gun control argument guys only switched around to "individuals hunters" against "club hunters".
Example:
Shotgunners hate pistol people
Pistol people hate rifle people
Everybody hates military guns, etc.
Be carefull what you wish for.........
First they came to stop the club hunters because driving deer was inhumane...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they came for the tree stand hunters because they hurt the trees...
I was not one of them so I did nothing.
Then they banned all hunting because it was cruel to the animals!!!!
I looked around and nobody was left to help me fight it.
There is power in numbers guys. lets not fight amongst ourselves.
RW3
01-13-2005, 06:12 PM
#8
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wilmington Delaware USA
Posts: 699
RE: Deer Drives NJ
My license fees pay for "public land" just like yours do.
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
If I get together with a group of guys (I belong to a club that pushes zone 21 and 24) and push a piece of land that is public so be it. Deal with it. It's my land too as you can tell by the "public" in "public lands".
Buy permits for other areas or hunt mid week. Where I hunt they drive also, but usually only during 6 day or saturdays. So If I don't want to be bothered I go weekdays. If I want to bag a deer I let them push one to me. Nobody is forcing him to hunt the areas that are driven. There is plenty of state land away from roads where he would not be bothered. Or get into those marshes and wait for the deer to come to him. Sounds more like a plan than a predicament.
Its just a question of being considerate to others. I dont feel large groups or clubs that plow through Public lands are being considerate. They are just being selfish and trying to shoot anything they can and as much as they can. As I said, if you have your own place or leases that dont mind drives, go for it! Just leave some quiet places for others that rely on Public land for their hunting opportunites.
01-13-2005, 06:38 PM
#9
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Bergen Co. NJ
Posts: 129
RE: Deer Drives NJ
There must be a reason why other states do not allow organized drives?? I'm not a big fan of participating in deer drives, but I'm even more against quarreling amongst the ranks. I agree without unity the anti's have a better chance of achieving their goal. I feel the state should put some constraints on deer drives. Perhaps designate certain WMA's non-driveable and limit the amount of hunters participating in a drive. It's easy to point out problems, the challenge is finding solutions. Voice your opinions at your next local federation meeting... Just my 2 cents.
Jim B.
Jim B.
01-13-2005, 06:52 PM
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Location: Wilmington Delaware USA
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RE: Deer Drives NJ
I laugh when running my beagles on state land and a deer hunter only comes up and says " hey I'm deer hunting here." I laugh and say " OK well I'm rabbit gunning here. Sept.-Feb. isn't enough time. Kiss my a**. And away running dogs is what I do.
There are some real jerks out there, so i'd watch laughing at deer hunters when you run your beagles through WMA's during deer season. You may go home with a few less than what you started with,,,,