right Chickory so am I. I've made a point of telling every senator I could email I will not support any rate hikes the PGC requests till they get a handle on all WMU deer populations those too high as well as though to low.

yours & BTBs' comments make more sense. He wasn't allowed to perform his job... Micro-management has infilltrated alot of Gov't.. and it MUST STOP. If I'm hired to do a job that i'm qualified for, DON"t tell me how to do it... leave me alone or just do it yourself. That's Micro-management. And who do we have to thank for that attitude in Gov't?
I realize tha Pa has some issues, but it isn't the end of the world.

902,I don't think it's a matter of seeing more deer but a matter of mismanaging certain areas.Some places are already below their projected goal yet Alt continued to say we have to kill more deer.Yes we do but that's in areas with very little hunter access.Has nothing to do with public land.These people are telling you and the PGC that the herd has been overharvested in some areas.Why don't you believe them?I agree there needed to be some herd reduction but some places are reaching critical stages real quick.These people telling you this aren't lying and if they didn't love the sport of hunting they wouldn't be on here writing about it.Why can't you pro alt guys get that in your head?
Don't take my word for it,take a drive to these areas hunters are talking about and take a hike and see for yourself.Union county would be a good start.
Deer aren't magic so just use their sign as an indicator.

germain: nice post

Think about this for a minute. We have heard that the deer are being wipe out here or there since the first bonus tags came out. Yet the annual kill continues to rise. Wouldnt it stand to reason that the kill would have to crash if the doomsayers are correct?

I will tell you what I've observed of late. We no longer have that massive kill on opening day but the kill is more strung out. Hence we dont see as many deer taken on the days that they traditionally were. (This is only a theory from personal observation)

One things for sure, other than one member here who claims that the doe kill means nothing,(yeah right) no one has been able to explain why the kill numbers havent crashed if deer numbers are really down that badly.

apparently you haven't been looking at the buck kill numbers from 2000 thru 2004 NOSE DIVE
If this this is an indication of how you see the stock market, take some advice don't buy stock

Im talking about the total kill. The buck kill is down due to AR, the fact that some are now taking a doe and then thye're done etc.

If there are no deer to kill, the TOTAL kill would drop, no, it would crash!

If you did a little reading instead of just relyng on what Alt tells you and your opinionns ,you would know that the harvests have decreased dramatically in the areas where the herd has been reduced. The harvest in Elk Co. dropped from 7,328 in 1995 to 5120 in 2003. At the same time the buck harvest dropped from 3,255 to 1920. Is it any wonder the hunters in 2 G aren't happy!

Don't you even understand the most simple concepts of deer management and AR. The 1.5 buck saved during the first year of AR and become 2.5 buck that replace the 1.5 buck that are saved the second year,so as Alt said the buck harvest should return to normal in the second year of AR.

Furthermore , the total harvest is not an accurate indicator of the PS population,since the anterless harvest are determined by the number of anterless tags issued rather than by the OWDD. Even if the herd had been reduced from 1.6M PS deer to 1.2M PS deer there would still be somewhere close to 1M PS anterless deer for the hunters to choose from If hunters harvested 33% of the 1 M PS anterless deer the harvest would be 330K. So it simply doesn't follow that a smaller herd means smaller total harvests ,at least in the short term.

Bt you'd better get your nose out of P'burgh and have a good look around the state
only a horn monger would say we can keep killing doe at record breaking levels without cutting back an profess we aren't in for a disaster
get out and go on some public land in just about any WMU then tell me there isn't a mess in Elmerton Ave.Cripes even your savior Cutn Run admitted that!

My camp is in the ANF and I hunt public land there. Yes the numbers seem down somewhat (in rifle season but we see plenty in bow season) but the hunter numbers are way down and that began long before Alt came along. Funny, our gang still manages to do well on public ground in the ANF even though we hear the same old crap in the local taverns from the same old guys that all the deer are gone.

Again, You guys keep saying the train wreck is coming but it hasnt come yet!