There you go again.
Since I'll be up your way next season. How about I bring up a couple "young'ns" who will hunt and drive deer all day and we'll shoot every darn button on your property and the properties you have access to. Not mine of course. Then at the end of the week we'll invite all of Ulysses for a button buck deer roast. I'm sure they'll all be happy with you. You can just tell them that you are culling out the inferior bucks.

ok with me but not 1 doe or you'll get slapped with a trespass fee of $750, that is part of our "posting agreement" among us landowners around here.

Dear U
The ratio for a farm is not the ratio for wild. In another reply you where saying the deer at a ranch are fed vitamins and are not real deer. Then you compare to a farm with male to female ratios. You don't agree with PGC management, you think there biology is wrong. Well lets let politics run our sport and there won't be a sport. The bioligists in NJ say we needed a bear hunt but the politcians say no. Keep politics out of my wood and fields. You can't beat a man at his own trade. Biology works! We can harvest unlimited does here and I still continue to see 12+ deer per day of hunting, fishing, or trapping. It sounds like you have no clue about farming or game management. Long live QDM! There are more deer now then when my grandfather who is 80 was hunting. All they where aloud to kill was bucks with atlers greater than 3". So there where no does killed. Just bucks and we have more deer now than they had in the 30's-80's. History is a good indicator of the future. Learn from you mistakes and you are wise to not learn is just stupid. I cull all weak of any species.

One buck to 35 does, eh? Hmmm, wouldnt that be something! Bucks are alot like batteries, they wear out. You might THINK one buck breeds all those does, but he doesnt. He breeds a majority, but the smaller bucks that he starts running off eventually get in there, trust me. Many does are bred by more than one sire during that heat cycle. Certain bucks are much better at passing their genetics on to other generations. As an equation it happens, but as far as desirable attributes passed, some are better than others. Bucks wear out, and nature needs another buck as a back-up. You need proof? Check the sex of twin fawns. Its almost always fifty-fifty, bucks to does. Nature produces as many does as bucks, and nothing is by chance or accident in nature. Mortality rates are higher on bucks, as they do wear out and usually die before does do.

Goliath was the result of a past breeding with a true super buck, PA Geronimo. Geronimo has passed down very well, producing many trophy animals. Goliath may well do the same. Time will tell. Antler replications of Goliath are now available from his famous 400 inch score of last year. If someone were seriously interested, post here and Ill get you in touch with a fellow named Stewart Valentine.

Deer in captivity enjoy many "perks" which help antler development. First and foremost is selective breeding programs, as genetics come first. Age, feed and stress are the other components. Because wild deer are collective feeders, they too can grow to capacity if given the years needed to do so. The biggest threats to antler development in the wild is poor feed, like when a major food source fails where one is traditionally strong, also age and finally overpopulation, where genetic pools are diluted. Thats been proven inside and outside the fence.

If I showed you guys pictures of some of the deer Im familiar with, youd cry! 150 inch yearlings, 200 inch 2 yr olds, it goes on and on. Theres at least one other buck I know of that flirts with the 400 inch class besides Goliath, its name is Highroller...youll be seeing pics of him on the covers of some of your fav Hunt rags soon.

Thanks guys, I enjoyed the chat!

Welcome to the forum, Bill!!

Bill while I agree with everything you've said as I have been raising somem sort of animal all my life I do believe it is wild deer living without all those perks hunters are interested in.

Wingbar, Im sure you just missed my point. For arguments sake I said yes, captive bred deer enjoy many perks. But I think its easy to prove that where wild deer meet that same criteria, they grow big too. Lower herd densities is the wild equivalent to selective breeding, aka natural selection and pure genetic pools. Age is age. Nutrition is also self explanatory. Stress, or the lack of it, comes with age and the availabilty of cover. The difference is, in captivity we as farmers supply these things, in the wild its often by chance. So it goes that the trophy animal is also sometimes by chance. As a deer farmer AND a taxidermist, I see it successfully each year, both methods.

Heres to hoping it happens for you, too. Good luck to you, wingbar.

Bill be careful we are not suppose to post "for arguments sake" I'm certain BTB will be only too happy to point that out to you
BTW some of my family are deeply involved with elk farming here in Pa, near St. College,Pa

A nice buck is whatever someone thinks is a nice buck to them. I've killed some 6pts that weren't what some guys call nice. I've also seen some spikes that I thought were very nice..like beauty it is in the eye of the beholder...a BB to me is the most beautiful when he is skinned out and cut up. What more beautiful backstraps could anyone want???????


If a wild buck needed to breed 35 does he would be dead by New Years Eve....do you listen to what you post or are you just mentaly challenged?

Edited personal attack, please refrain, thanks Rob

Uly you compare domestic herds to wildlife. In the wild it should be close to 50-50.