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OH I'm sure you get a prize but it is not a material one...more of a sense of accomplishment you'll feel when as an offical Monster Whitetail Club member you have succeded in Pa land being gobbled up by outfitters for lease posted against your tresspass, hunters give up hunting at record rates because they don't see enough deer to hunt on public land, even less new hunters entering the sport,and so many more thrills you as a member can take so much pride in accomplishing.

BTW I do think they give out some sort of ring like the old Oscar Meyer weiner truck, but they hold back on the truck.

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lol

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CattNY dont you agree that theres a huge difference between dumping feed and food plots??? ( for the record, I dont participate in either) Why is a food plot any different than hunting under an apple tree? a white oak? or next to a corn field?

I see the bags of corn at WalMart and find it just as disturbing as you do but thats not the same as planting a food plot. Our own PGC does that on some of our game lands!!!

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Can you explain what the differnce would be between planting five acreas of corn that was planted for the specific purpose of feeding wildlife with no intent to harvest it, or the same quantity of corn spread over the same area with the specific purpose of feeding wildlife?

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If you intend to hunt over either....

The first is perfectly legal (and our PGC does just that on selected gamelands)

The second is considered baiting by the law and is illegal

If you have no intent to hunt over or utilize game patterns established by it either then there is no real difference

BTW, you avoided my question by answering it with your own question.

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there is no difference. Both are an effort to maintain a population higher than what the native habitat can support. (I'm not taking a position that you can't do it) But food plots planted just for hunting are the same as dumping feed in a pile. Same-Same.

If you were improving native vegetation for all species, then you would be a resource first type, but if your just planting a plot for one or two species then your a wannabe. [:'(]

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Bob,

I have a gravity feeder with 200# of double cleaned shelled corn out right now in the middle of a BioLogic food plot. It will stay up well into the summer to help the herd through the winter. The main reason I have it up is the lack of a acorn crop this past few years has been tough on the herd. The corn is all gone now, and there is very little left to eat for the deer, so I help out in any way possible.

Now, as far as this feeder pulling deer off other property and getting hit hard, that is hardly the case. The deer move into the BioLogic and will just get a little corn then feed on the BioLogic. This feeder does get alot of use from squirrels, birds, and raccoons though.

As far as attracting predators, well, this isn't much of a problem around here. There are some coyotes around, but the farmer up the road hires guys to trap coyotes off his land and in the past couple years, the coyotes are all but gone! Also, this feeder is located literally in my backyard as the back part of my yard has been turned into a foodplot!

As far as disease goes, this is something that is impossible to prove and impossible to find un-true. Deer congregate in many areas (stageing areas, fields, ect.), not to mention in the winter they usually yard up in large groups!

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Hey BT, I shoot does too. With HR severely impacting my area, they are trophies also.

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one is legal, one is not unles you have no regard for the law, they are NOT the same

Chicory, you have avoided this question before but I'll ask again, How about giving us your definition of a wannabe????

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Jason,

I know you dont hunt over your feeder so I see nothing wrong with it. Several years ago, I used to have several very prolific apple trees and would haul apples up to my camp to feed/ watch deer. (no one was ever allowed to hunt anywhere near that area. as a matter of fact, we hunted over 5 miles from there)

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That's the exact answer I was looking for. In other words hunting over a crop planted for the sole purpose of attracting wildlife is no different than baiting,except one is legal and the other isn't.

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And unless you never hunted next to a crop field, an apple tree, a white oak etc. you are no different than someone who plants food plots. As I said before, its not something I'm into but most people That I know who do plant food for wildlife dont generally hunt over it.

Would you refuse to hunt near a food plot on one of Pa's gamelands?

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After all the talk of feeding vs. baiting vs. food plots...just a question along those same lines?


Is it a fair assumption that the ones of you that are against the feeding / baiting / food plots or any one or combination of those things

1. Would not hunt in Texas, Sask, Alberta, Florida and many other places where it is a lawful practice for deer?

2. Wouldn't go on a baited hunt for bears in Quebec, New Brunswick, Maine, NH, Sask, Alberta etc?

3. Wouldn't hunt coyotes over a bait pile like in Maine and other areas?

4. Wouldn't run deer with dogs as is the common practice in the south?

5. Wouldn't run coyotes, bobcat, mountain lions, racoons or bear with dogs as is the common practice in many areas?

Just curious to hear the responses based on the knowledge of the laws etc that you all have put forth.

Thanks

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How's this:

WANNABEES--

Whiny Amateur (k)Now-it-all (k)Notheads After Bigshot Exposure and Elite Status?:D

Chickory? Am I close?;)

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I for one have hunted in states where baiting and hound hunting are LEGAL though I don't see how you connect the two. The key word is where it is LEGAL. Pa considers hunting over true agriculture fields legal, near natural mass crops as legal, etc. BUT planting for the sole purpose of hunting over those plantings is ILLEGAL.
Don't be fooled by some posters that say "oh I take the corn away 30 days prior to hunting over it". Sure they do but the animals are conditioned by then to the BIOLOGIC they had the corn in.
You put corn out you're doing it for 1 reason to feed animals, plain an simple. Horn hunter's logic

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The big differences is in the intent of the person planting a crop strictly to attract game ,versus a farmer that is planting in order to harvest a crop.

BTW, I do not object to planting crops to attract wild life , but I am honest enough to recognize the difference between planting a crop to harvest and planting a crop to attract game.

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Pinwheel*******
BINGO! Smack dead center on the first wack!
Wannabes= a shooter that watches so much Outdoor Life TV Channel they have come to think the box blind/food plot buck is a hard won trophy

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I have given definitions of wannabes about 5 times here..... BTB is just a selective reader. Eventually he has to do some work on his own, I get tired of spoon feeding him.

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We've learned through all of these post that the wannabes are mad because they can't shoot a young buck when presented the opportunity.

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That fits my definition 902!

The most pitiful wannabe of all is the one that begrudges a kid or one of our military the opportunity to kill a buck that they may have to pass up while they cuss about AR! (statistically the few smaller bucks killed by kids and servicemen dont hurt the goals of AR and the trade off in terms of promoting hunting to our youth and rewarding our brave servicemen any way we can for their service is well worth the cost)

Overheard this year in 2D.....

"I had a nice 6 point right in front of me and had to let it walk and it went over the rise and some snot nosed kid shot it. This is BS!"

That guy , my friends, is the worst, most pitiful kind of wannabe!

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BTB which side the face you talking out of now? A few bucks for the kids & GIs is ok it won't hurt nothing but let old Uly promote killing a few BB and Ole Uly is an anti hunter....like Chickory said earlier you have selective reading skills.

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My god do you guys ever give it a rest!!!!!!!

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What I want?

NO combining of GC and Fish and Boat Commission

NO re-election of Rendell

YES to Sunday bowhunting

YES to continued AR

YES to reduced AL tags in areas that need it.

YES to a big upsurge in fur prices, especially coyote skins.:D

Yes to everyone reading my updated signature......

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And a guy who shoots a single doe every year in an area where there are still enough deer around and he does it entirely legally is now a criminal? You can shoot as many button bucks as you want, that is your CHOICE, just like it is my choice to shoot a doe in this area whenever I have a tag. Not too much differance there!

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everyone wants something i hope we atleast get something

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I hope that PA continues the along the path that Dr Alt started and I may start to buy my PA license in the next few years. Washington and Alleghany have some tremendous deer hunting and it should only be getting better.

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i hope all county have good hunting to me it doesnt matter if we have big bucks

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BM I see your trane of thought, tell you what I'll do....you post the directions to that hunting land of yours here on this forum. I'll paint up a 4x8 pc of plywood to make a sign with them on. Then hang it right next to my posted signs here on the farm. Heck I'm a big enough man to admit you're right I'll even make two. Putting the other one out on Rt.6 telling all travelers where they can now go and be welcomed with open arms for recreational hunting. You wouldn't mind showing the hordes around your hotspots would you, Oh great Sportsman????.......yeah that's what I thought you'd say when the shoe is on the other foot (yours).