NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
12-13-2004, 08:29 AM
#21
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
jpm8920 said---
"And that would be ruined if muzzleloading had all the deer spooked before the gunhunters ever enter the woods."
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That's why we don't want a muzzle loader season in the middle of bow! Talk about making your gun hunting tough, try getting within bow range after a week of muzzle loader activity! On top of all this, I believe the solution that NYBowhunters would prefer to see would be the status quo. Leave things as they are. Anyone who is a die hard muzzle loader fan can effectively use that weapon during rifle or shotgun season in NY. Bows are definitely a different story. I buy a supersportsman every year and I own a muzzle loader. I think if they extended the late muzzle loader season by a week or two, more people would take advantage of that....fill any left over tags, buck or doe! I would go out then.
Whatever the outcome, the DEC, as usual, is not right in what they are doing. If you don't like their proposals, contact the appropriate parties and voice your displeasure on this matter. There will be public meetings in the near future also. If you would like to attend any in your area, keep an eye on NYBowhunters website for a schedule.
http://www.newyorkbowhunters.com/
Thank You!
J-Bow
"And that would be ruined if muzzleloading had all the deer spooked before the gunhunters ever enter the woods."
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That's why we don't want a muzzle loader season in the middle of bow! Talk about making your gun hunting tough, try getting within bow range after a week of muzzle loader activity! On top of all this, I believe the solution that NYBowhunters would prefer to see would be the status quo. Leave things as they are. Anyone who is a die hard muzzle loader fan can effectively use that weapon during rifle or shotgun season in NY. Bows are definitely a different story. I buy a supersportsman every year and I own a muzzle loader. I think if they extended the late muzzle loader season by a week or two, more people would take advantage of that....fill any left over tags, buck or doe! I would go out then.
Whatever the outcome, the DEC, as usual, is not right in what they are doing. If you don't like their proposals, contact the appropriate parties and voice your displeasure on this matter. There will be public meetings in the near future also. If you would like to attend any in your area, keep an eye on NYBowhunters website for a schedule.
http://www.newyorkbowhunters.com/
Thank You!
J-Bow
12-13-2004, 08:31 AM
#22
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
How is my suggestion screwing rifle hunters?I never took any time away from them and added muzzleloader time.My suggestion actually added a couple of days to the regular season by starting on Saturday instead of Monday.I am for longer muzzleloader season not any longer bow season.I think you have got the wrong idea.It is not like the regular gun season where it sounds like a war zone.With muzzleloaders,you have 1 shot,not 5 in a row.Even if they don't give an early muzzleloader season,they should at least give a longer late muzzleloader season.
12-13-2004, 03:53 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
a key point that some are missing is that ML hunters pay the same for a ML tag as bow hunters do for a bow tag. there is a descrepancy in the seasons. as most know by other posts, i don't like the proposals, however I think that ML hunters should have their own season (1 week before sometime before gun and doe only, does not a season make). what is so hard about giving them a month after gun ends?? seems rather simple to me. also let them fill their ML tag in regular season if they want.
the arguement that they can use their ML in gun season is irrelevant. they paid for their gun tag also. Archers can do the same thing. My letters to DEC will relay these points and offer some alternatives that I feel would be agreeable to all parties. I hope others voice their opinion whatever it be (although it would be nice to get some kind of consensus and have a somewhat unified approach - like what NYB is doing - however they do not represent all hunters and that is what alternatives should focus on - something that all hunters can live with)
the arguement that they can use their ML in gun season is irrelevant. they paid for their gun tag also. Archers can do the same thing. My letters to DEC will relay these points and offer some alternatives that I feel would be agreeable to all parties. I hope others voice their opinion whatever it be (although it would be nice to get some kind of consensus and have a somewhat unified approach - like what NYB is doing - however they do not represent all hunters and that is what alternatives should focus on - something that all hunters can live with)
12-13-2004, 09:47 PM
#24
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
As usual, Doughboy and I have similar thoughts...must be the sigep thing.
Really, I dislike the current option by the DEC....but I dislike even more the first option via NYB. I am an avid bowhunter, but feel that to be way out of line in regards to not only other hunters, but also comes across negatively to me as a bowhunter. I am not holier than thou.
I think it should stay the same...with the exception of maybe opening bow earlier if the DEC saw fit, and have ML lengthened at the end of the year. They pay the same fee for less days in the woods than a bowhunter, and those days are not nearly as enjoyable as the main rut. I say give them AT LEAST an extra week up to a month or whatever the DEC would deem acceptable.
If you need to incorporate a doe only week or weekend, then fine but it needs to be done in a better manner than the current option from the DEC.
And using the logic of short gun seasons in certain states is irrelevant. Their biological situation is 100% different than NY's. They have different numbers of hunters afield, with different deer populations, with different amounts of land open to hunting, different weather patterns, different financing issues, and much more on top of that.
I am all for bowhunting, and enjoy it feverishly, but NYB gives me a bad taste in my mouth. How did that option even come to pass in that organization?
Really, I dislike the current option by the DEC....but I dislike even more the first option via NYB. I am an avid bowhunter, but feel that to be way out of line in regards to not only other hunters, but also comes across negatively to me as a bowhunter. I am not holier than thou.
I think it should stay the same...with the exception of maybe opening bow earlier if the DEC saw fit, and have ML lengthened at the end of the year. They pay the same fee for less days in the woods than a bowhunter, and those days are not nearly as enjoyable as the main rut. I say give them AT LEAST an extra week up to a month or whatever the DEC would deem acceptable.
If you need to incorporate a doe only week or weekend, then fine but it needs to be done in a better manner than the current option from the DEC.
And using the logic of short gun seasons in certain states is irrelevant. Their biological situation is 100% different than NY's. They have different numbers of hunters afield, with different deer populations, with different amounts of land open to hunting, different weather patterns, different financing issues, and much more on top of that.
I am all for bowhunting, and enjoy it feverishly, but NYB gives me a bad taste in my mouth. How did that option even come to pass in that organization?
12-14-2004, 06:38 AM
#26
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
Here are some random thoughts.
I would be fine with lengthening the late muzzloader season and abandoning the early doe season as some have suggested. However, this proposal does not seem to be what the DEC has in mind. Neither does the NYB proposal. An early doe season is a management tool used to reduce the deer population before food resources become scarce.
If they lengthen all the seasons wouldn't they have to reduce the number of tags issued? The more days you have to hunt the more likely you are to fill your tags. Right? In my area, I dont think we need to increase the number of deer harvested.
I have no problem with bow hunting having more days in the prime times than the other seasons. This has been the tradition for many many years. The muzzloading season is a new creation. It should be fit in around the other seasons. It should not displace them. I think this is what has gotten the NYB all bent out of shape.
I would be fine with lengthening the late muzzloader season and abandoning the early doe season as some have suggested. However, this proposal does not seem to be what the DEC has in mind. Neither does the NYB proposal. An early doe season is a management tool used to reduce the deer population before food resources become scarce.
If they lengthen all the seasons wouldn't they have to reduce the number of tags issued? The more days you have to hunt the more likely you are to fill your tags. Right? In my area, I dont think we need to increase the number of deer harvested.
I have no problem with bow hunting having more days in the prime times than the other seasons. This has been the tradition for many many years. The muzzloading season is a new creation. It should be fit in around the other seasons. It should not displace them. I think this is what has gotten the NYB all bent out of shape.
12-14-2004, 05:21 PM
#27
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
The way i look at it is this year we had 38 days to bowhunt before fire arms season. Next year with the new proposal we would have 41 days to hunt with the bow. If it dont change i will be hunting next year and if it does change i'll be hunting too. JMO.
12-15-2004, 12:17 AM
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
I to use all three methods of hunting for deer in NY, bow, shotgun and muzzleloading. I do feel shorted on the muzzleloading season and it should be made longer in some way I pay $16 dollars extra and only get one week. Sure I can use my muzzleloader during shotgun season but I perfer not to. The one problem I have with extending it an extra week at the end of the season current muzzleloading season is that by then it gets really into the heavy lake effect snow season, especially here in WNY and the areas south of Buffalo. I routinely have had to hike in 2 foot snow depths during muzzleloading season and that sucks. Trying freezing your butt off and exhuasting yourself with 5 mile walks in 2 feet of snow and you'll get burned out pretty quick on that extra week of late muzzleloading. (PS 13" of fresh snow just last night in the snow belts south of Buffalo and more on they way just in time for muzzleloading season again!) I don't like breaking up bow season either so my suggestion would be to run bow season from 10/1 to the second weekend in November. Then open a one week Muzzleloading season, if you want you could even let bow season continue during this week also. Then pick up with the regular shotgun season starting on the third Saturday of Nov. and let in run its 22 day season as usual. Then finish it up with one week of Muzzleloading and Bow Season. Heck lets face it on the first day of shotgun season there are so many casual hunters in the woods it doesn't matter when it starts. The deer are going to be running all over the place trying to find a place to hide. After that its going to calm down to the typical shotgun type season. Just one guys opinion.
12-15-2004, 10:23 PM
#30
Nontypical Buck
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RE: NY Bowhunters Reply To 2005 Proposals
I'm not 100% on the new proposals - though I like the idea of changing the current structure.
I've read most of the posts - and agree with some that the best option would be a 2-4 week ML season after the Gun Season.
I suggest this because BP is generally a specialist's sport - even more-so than bow. I think if it follows the regular season - then it will have less pressure involved then if it were plunked in the middle of bow season. By placing the "season" in the middle of bow - we are just asking for people who would not normally hunt BP to "push the season" and hunt - increasing the pressure - and messing up Bow season as we know it afterword.
I like the prospect of a tough weather hunt - with a primative weapon - with - (probably?) low hunting pressure - late in the season
Also I worry that the casual hunter - who might opt for the "Mid-bowseason" BP proposal - could not let a decent buck pass - in order to harvest a doe. I know some of you will call me an alarmist - but seriously - I know several hunters that will shoot a 10 point - in the early BP season - if the situation occurs.
I've read most of the posts - and agree with some that the best option would be a 2-4 week ML season after the Gun Season.
I suggest this because BP is generally a specialist's sport - even more-so than bow. I think if it follows the regular season - then it will have less pressure involved then if it were plunked in the middle of bow season. By placing the "season" in the middle of bow - we are just asking for people who would not normally hunt BP to "push the season" and hunt - increasing the pressure - and messing up Bow season as we know it afterword.
I like the prospect of a tough weather hunt - with a primative weapon - with - (probably?) low hunting pressure - late in the season
Also I worry that the casual hunter - who might opt for the "Mid-bowseason" BP proposal - could not let a decent buck pass - in order to harvest a doe. I know some of you will call me an alarmist - but seriously - I know several hunters that will shoot a 10 point - in the early BP season - if the situation occurs.