A challenge to the Alt naysayers
04-14-2004 | 11:23 AM
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
I agree , but it is a fact. The reason is because they assign no habitat value to any land but the 3 classes of forest types and assigns no value to fringe areas,farm land swamps or brush patches.
04-14-2004 | 04:04 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
At least the experts admit this is a complex problem and that they have made and will make mistakes while finding the solutions.
So why not give em a chance to get it right? This thing has just gotten started.
Sometimes they are, the difference is that they will keep trying till they get it right. That, to me , is better than sticking your head in the sand and not making any long term changes cause some of those changes may hurt a bit in the short term.
As we learn more about our deer and hunters, landowners and others, we'll have much better information to make management decisions. We've made a lot of changes to our deer management program, and we will probably make many more. We can't take this program from where it is today, to where it has to go, without making a lot of changes. And not all of these changes will work, some of them will be mistakes. When we make mistakes, we'll admit them, and then try something else until we solve the problem, and move on.
There is no quick fix. It will take time, a great deal of planning, and a lot of hard work. But none of this will happen, unless we work together.
There is no quick fix. It will take time, a great deal of planning, and a lot of hard work. But none of this will happen, unless we work together.
Alt already admitted the OWDD tables are wrong, therefore your alledged experts are wrong.
04-14-2004 | 05:10 PM
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
So why not give em a chance to get it right? This thing has just gotten started.
Sometimes they are, the difference is that they will keep trying till they get it right. That, to me , is better than sticking your head in the sand and not making any long term changes cause some of those changes may hurt a bit in the short term.
04-14-2004 | 05:58 PM
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
Alt already admitted the OWDD tables are wrong, therefore your alledged experts are wrong.
Anybody with a sixth grade education would know that 5C can support more DPSM that 2G. The OWDD tables are not a mistake.
Ahhh the world according to DD
Go ahead, toss some more numbers out to distract us from this one.
04-14-2004 | 06:11 PM
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
Alt knows that mixed farmland and forests can support more deer than the habitat in 2G. Despite that, he released OWDD tables that show 2G can support more deer PSM than 5 C. That was not a mistake, it was obviously intentional. Therefore, they are wrong and it was not a mistake. The PGC has been managing the herd based on the same criteria since the formula was adopted in 1980.
04-14-2004 | 06:59 PM
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RE: A challenge to the Alt naysayers
MikE..............Ouch!! Never posted on that one about the amish????????
As a landowner who wants to reduce the doe population drastically I cant do it now without letting every tom/dick and harry have free run of the estate......NOT
Plus its tough for me to reduce the doe population when the hunting club with 3000 acres next to me does not shoot doe[:@]
As a landowner who wants to reduce the doe population drastically I cant do it now without letting every tom/dick and harry have free run of the estate......NOT
Plus its tough for me to reduce the doe population when the hunting club with 3000 acres next to me does not shoot doe[:@]
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