Alt was in charge of bears for many years and the bears in my area never got bigger racks. What's the deal with that?

hehe... thats because not enough hunters in your area embraced Quality Bear Management and you all failed to plant bear plots in accordance with the strategic bear plan. Didn't you notice the depleted habitat (Don't feel bad, neither did Dr. Alt for 30 years until someone took him by the hand and told him what to think.)

Once again hunters were the point of failure!

Ah - QBM. I guess we were all too greedy and shot the first bear we saw. As for the food plots, I planted some jelly donuts in a nearby field but I couldn't get them to grow. Maybe too much sunlight.

DougE:
I live to read your posts on deer #'s & Qdm from Alt's perspective. because i agree with you 1000% due to the area that i hunt in. Clinton/Centre co's in the Loganton (Sugar Valley) area just off rt 80 at the jersey Shore exit. The deer ARE NOT THERE like they were 5 years ago! I built a 6x6 enclosed treestand 14 years ago this year & i sit there from daylight to dark every day of the rifle season. when i first built the stand i would record seeing 50-75 deer a day,,,last year i saw 4 deer!!!! Now,,,my problem is this,,,were in an area that is overwhelmed with Amish,,im sure alot of you have seen me bitch about this in the past,, but im struggling with this issue,,,in a serious way! These people are demolishing the deer herd in our area & theres no way of stopping it due to their survival comes from their farms. Where in any of Alt's stats does it show crop damage deer taken by the Amish? I can find none & if i could would they be accurate???HELL NO! To me this is nothing more that legal poaching for a given culture! I know for a fact that my areas deer densitys are way down & i dont need sum self proclaimed professional telling me any different! My question to you & everyone else is this,,,short of blowing it off & hunting another area,,what can i do about this???

Thanx for any help

Mike

When are the Alt supporters going to wake up and realize they got Punk*D? After 2 years of AR. and an increasing herd ( according to Alt and the PGC that is) Our Buck Harvest would increase this year not continue to decrease!! Ofcourse Alt is going to be vague with his answers he is hoping he can keep his junior Alties hood winked for atleast another year. Honestly this is getting embarrasing!! Pike

Rem700man:

If you've got reasonable proof, go here:

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/v...a=483&q=152267

If you don't, forget it.

Hehe...haw haw that is the best analysis I have heard yet on our current deer fiasco.

YOU got punk*d !!! What a perfect phrase to describe the way sportsman in pa got played. And the really funny part is that to this day......some of them don't even realize it. [8D]

MikeE: surely your suggestion that Rem700 turn the Amish in as poachers is a joke isnt it? If it's not, you need to know that they can shoot all the deer they want to for crop damage, legally.

anyone who farms in pa can shoot as many deer as they want for crop damage, its not unique to the amish.

If you have poor law enforcement in your area, then thats a problem you can work with the commission on.

In bucks co. (I believe from memory) one farmer dropped 27 deer in one night.

...and he wasn't amish, and its legal for crop damage. Nothin' wrong with that.

Jeff, where can I get one of those crystal balls? Last I checked, we haven't hunted deer in this state yet this year(exception being late muzz/archery....and those totals go onto last years numbers).

I will not contest or support the PGC numbers about the deer herd. I don't believe them, but that's all we have to go by so there's no point in arguing it.[:'(]