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I want your opinion on Pa's new proposals!
Okay, First, I DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN INTO A BASH ALT OR BASH PEOPLE WHO DON'T SUPPORT ALT topic.
I simply want to know what you think about antler restrictions/baiting/smaller management units/cutting the population in half..... I want to know if you feel it will be a short term or long term effect. I am right in between the cases. I can see how the antler restrictions would help save SOME of the younger bucks, but it won't save the majority of them. I can see how small mangement units would be useful, but it will come with a huge price tag. I can see how cutting hte population in half could make some of the over populated areas better, but there are spots where there isn't an over population too, so what will happen to those areas. I can see how the early rifle/muzzleloader season will help kill off does before breeding, but it does make the time for archers in the woods less enjoyable. I don't see the point of bringing in crossbows, if they are legallized, fine, but I just don't see the point. I can see allowing people to bait because it will help kill off the herd a litte more, but there is always the chance of diseases being spread. I can see how having a buck/doe tag would be better than our system now, but there are draw backs to that too. I just want to know what you feel about these proposals. Like I said before, NO BASHING, lets TRY to keep this civil, you guys know who you are. Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^) |
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Antler restrictions would be ok If you shot a button buck you would have to use your buck tag on it.
Smaller management units ,you bet would be great Cut the deer herd in Half,NO. increase the habitate and farm the gamelands No baiting PERIOD Develope special surburban hunts Subsidize privatebland owners for allowing hunting. No x-bows except handicapped Early muzzy and rifle for doe-I'll go for that Cause I like huntin in the warm weather. Create special area ,(National Parks and ETC. that at this time are closed to hunting just for handicapped hunters. |
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Wow Cardeer
I think that is the best plan that I have heard yet. It incoorperates everyone, while still being fair. I truly like the sounds of that. Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^) |
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I would agree with cardeer on most issues except,I would not like to see the early M/L and firearms season.Instead I would like to see Multiple doe tags for archery hunters.If you shoot a doe you can get another tag over the counter like some states.Also a system where on your reg. tag there is a place for a buck,doe,butt.buck to get an exact count on all deer harvested.I would want to see A/R but as it is proven, when there are too many deer for the capacity of the land it has to be an across the board reduction to keep the herd healthy.
If you harvest 30% of the herd including bucks and doe's the herd will grow 40%. If you don't shoot enough doe and only include the harvest of bigger bucks there will not be a reduction in the herd for the next year and a problem with land capacity. |
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WOW, I am amazed, NO BASHING. I am glad that this post hasn't succome to the typical Pennsylvania Bash-Fest. Keep um commin guys.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^) |
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I support Dr. Gary Alt. He works very hard at deer management and always puts out effort above and beyond the call. He could easily of just gone along for the ride. But he saw problems and strapped on his seat belt and is trying to fix things. It's his field. If I thought he stopped working with the best interest of the deer in mind, I would be the first to call for a grand jury investigation. But until then, I will support him.
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Ok here are my ideas :
Antler restrictions as now proposed 1 Male deer tag per hunter per season, no exceptions! a second male deer by mistake costs you next years male deer tag. Early October doe kill with guns but allow the archers a few weeks of undisturbed hunting beforehand using the earn a buck concept to encourage doe kills. Crossbows in gun seasons only for the able bodied and for disabled, keep it as it now is in archery season. Smaller management units where feasible Check stations run like W Va runs em. Incorporate the attitude that it's better to kill a mature doe than an immature buck into hunter-ed courses and all other PGC communications. Keep Gary Alt right where he is. No he aint God but he is well qualified and is up to the challenges ahead. Be ready to tweak and fine tune any of the above if they have less than ideal results. Just my $.02 <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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I knew you guys just couldn't leave out the comments about crossbows.
The topic was about proposals...wasn't it? Also i'm glad to see cardeer's comments on baiting |
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Don't count your chickens just yet Buck Magnet. The "bashing" doesn't usually occur till a thread gets to its second page...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.
I usually don't post on any Pennsylvania thread anymore because I grow weary of having my opinions questioned at every turn. My opinion....I really have no opinion on 95% of the stuff listed in your original post. I hope PA maintains a healthy deer herd and that all of the problems with damaging farmer's crops and suburban areas gets resolved. I hope everybody gets what they want, but..... NO RIFLE IN OCTOBER! (Sorry, didn't mean to yell, <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) |
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Being a NR and on the "outside looking in" even tho I have been a regular hunter of PA for the past couple of decades, my opinion would be almost a mirror-image of BTBowhunters' post. (Well done! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>)With the exception of course of the early rifle season,none allowed unless they start Archery in early Sept and give us a month of undisturbed hunting. I have no problem personally with an increase in NR license fees, provided we are given an opportunity at either sex through the original backtag and archery license, or through an "earn a buck" program. Lottery system for does tags that is currently in use out unless simply for EXTRA does,not your first (at least for a few years, see how things go) make up the difference in revenue on the original backtag or archery license. ONE male deer per year, no matter how it is done, Archery, rifle, crossbow, slingshot, slingblade, whatever. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12
Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/14/2002 05:30:09 |
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A small increase in backtag fees is a good idea as long as it is for residents and NR's.
I also think you backtag should be a 1 deer any sex tag. If you kill a doe you get another tag you can kill oh I dunno 1 doe during reg firearms and 2 during muzzleloader and bow. But once you kill a buck you are done for the year. Also instead of the proposed AR's close big buck hunting for a year so that they can breed. In stead kill off all the little deer then put in the 3 or more points Ar's. Baiting is a definate no-no. Crossbows for the disabled only in a special 1 week saeson preceeding reg firearm. smaller mangement units are a good idea. |
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Well everything is going good so far.
AR are fine with me. Baiting I don't mind it so if it comes fine it is the same a food plots. smaller management units is just about a must. Male and female deer tags are a must. If a button buck is killed thats your buck. A winter season buck tag for a nice fee would be ok with me. that is if you took a doe befor hand so like earn a buck. Go alt I am behind you. This will just take some time to perfect these things. Early rifle season is fine for the does but lets start archery season on sept 1. Brian |
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Ouch ,Thats all I will say on one proposal I seen,But I,m not going to argue.Thats there opinion,I'll
honor the request not argue,but I,m going to go out on the porch and scream WHAAATTTTTTT?????????????????????????? |
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Questions--
Does anyone affiliated with the PGC ever read these posts and take some input before the board? Or is everyone simply spitting into the wind and this is just wishful thinking? Do they (PGC)already have the answers to the propositions pretty much "set in stone" at the January meeting, or is it revised in April? If some combination of most of the above posts were to come to pass, and us archers were able to take a deer of either sex via a earn-a-buck on the original backtag, My money for lodging and licensing would be on it's way out the door tomorrow! (PA gets it's revenue early!) Go ahead, jack up the pricing, as long as we can put meat in the freezer, don't care. I think you'll find most NR's feel the same way. Keeping fingers crossed, Pinwheel 12 |
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Pinwheel, I am planning on sending this link to the Pennsylvania Game Commission whenever it is done. So, to everyone out there, speak up and let our Game Commission know what you, the paying sportsman, want done.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^) |
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Thanks Buck Magnet! It would really be nice to get at least some of these items addressed, and for myself and other NR's especially the doe tag issue that has been a royal thorn in our sides since the lottery was implemented. Not being able to take a doe unless you purchase a separate tag really hurts,(it's actually not the purchasing that hurts, but the availability) especially when we realistically have little chance of getting one the way things are set-up now. (Last year the County tags where we hunt were sold out before we could even apply) I firmly believe that anyone that purchases a PA Archery license should be entitled to one of either sex on that tag, or possibly utilize the earn-a-buck program, where you must shoot a doe first before a buck. I watched far too many does walk by last Archery season that I could not touch because I had no tag, while some people I know got multiple tags and did not fill them all. (residents, of course! No offense) All I want is one for the freezer, I'm not worried about massive bucks and have no problem with proposed AR's, that's not what I'm there for and something you guys as residents can fight over. Of course if a bruiser walks by, I'll know my money helped to develop him, too, and he may possibly go home with me!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I'd like nothing better than to go back to Centre Co again this year with my friends,spend some money, rent "our" cabin again, have a great time enjoying your woods and hopefully bringing home some meat for my family, but it will all depend upon the doe tag issues.I can't see spending all that money(Or possibly more?) to again watch all of those does walk by and now having to shoot 3 points per side also. Guess we'll have to wait and see what develops. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/14/2002 16:38:41 |
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Pin wheel by the looks of it I'd say you'd better look for another state to hunt in this year and in the near future. Pa is slow on change,even slower on creating DMUs which will need to be up and proven before they go to a deer with your backtag for everyone like you suggest
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Why? This is not rocket science, I don't see the big problem with allowing a either sex/or "earn-a-buck" with the original tag, THEN selling individual extra doe tags as they have been, but cutting the overall extra-tag numbers back to whatever they feel is necessary. (like most all other States do) This is much more overly "fair" to ALL hunters, both resident and non, and gives every hunter a fair shake at getting meat for the freezer. Makes for happy campers, and not only helps with deer management, but happy campers will be more apt to go out and spend more money while in the State as opposed to those either going to another State to hunt, (lost revenue) or those quickly discouraged after watching many "untouchable" deer walk by and not having a tag to harvest them.(yeah, they'll be back next year, more lost revenue) AR's are one thing, but when there is an acknowledged problem with doe population, (as acknowledged by YOUR top biologist) it seems VERY ludicrous to try and propose an early gun season to eliminate unbred does and then NOT let Archers help by allowing them a deer of either sex on their original Archery tag during Archery season, which essentially will HELP that cause by taking out some of the excess unbred does! If it is because of money, like I stated before, raise our fees, no problem, but let us hunt for heaven's sakes! It is that simple, really, it is. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 |
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I think the either sex with the main tag could work. Would hunters be spread out enough to take the does where they needed to be taken? I wouldn't be afraid to try it for a year or two. Might take some pressure off the bucks and harvest the does they want removed.
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I think that the idea that if you kill a buck either button or horned you put your buck tag on it is a good idea only how is this going to work what if you already got your buck and you thought you were shooting a doe me i say give alt a chance I eat meat not the antlers a bad idea was letting farmers shoot deer off nothing worse than seeing deer shot and left to rot or throne over a bank some where it was awful<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Since the deer don't belong to anyone, farmers should not be allowed to shoot deer or elk for crop damage unless they have opened their land to hunting. Farmers who won't allow hunting and then cry about crop damage deserve what they get.
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You really like to do that, don't you, LOCK Horns? Heh,heh. OK, as a HUNTER, I HUNT. That is basically what we do. On occasion, we are lucky enough to also HARVEST, which is the ultimate goal of all HUNTERS, is it not? When I go to PA, the same thing applies. I am there for a week away from the rat-race with friends and fellow HUNTERS,to HUNT. The ultimate goal of HARVEST remains the same, and if I am to spend lots of money which will be invested into lodging, food, LICENSING, etc, I want the BEST chance to acheive my ultimate goal of HARVEST.(Don't we all?) Now, you are pointing fingers and telling me that because of the fact that I and most other NR's that would like to have a FAIR chance at HARVEST, and an opportunity to possibly benefit from the HUNT by putting winter meat in the freezer, that we shouldn't be allowed to HUNT in PA or anywhere else at all? Or, that we are not SPORTSMEN? Where do you get off with that thinking? We support HUNTING and HARVESTS (deer management) by doing just this, whether in OUR State, YOUR State, or another State or Country. I think we as HUNTERS, are every bit as much of a SPORTSMAN as the next guy no matter where we live, and have a vested interest in the overall discussions and decisions made on regulations no matter WHERE we hunt, as long as we are spending our money also. No, we may not currently own land there yet, but we still pay for our rights to be there, currently averaging $150 each year times however many years,(with me it's been around 20 in PA= $3000) Versus the $50 average of a resident if they buy a $20 hunting license and the other ML and Archery tags, $50 times the same 20 for comparative purposes=$1000. Now add the State cabin fees of $300+ per wk. rental costs into our equation, times 20= $6000. I think it's easy to see where alot of PA's revenue comes from. Having hunted North America, Canada, and Africa I think my "sportsmans" dues have been paid, thank-you. You fail to realize that I am not the enemy here, merely another concerned hunter/sportsman trying not only to keep my own individual hunting interest alive in your State, but also in keeping a decent "balance" there so my son and his can have the same opportunies and lasting memories that we currently have today in the future.(or possibly more!) By eliminating the excess does that are currently acknowldeged as being a problem through a simple inclusion on our original tag, we will effectively help to balance the herd over time and make that entirely possible. Not a sportsman? Think again, my friend. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 |
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"I am in support of the "brown 'n down" in Pa group of hunters. What difference does it make. they all eat the same. legal deer = twang/bang fillets in the freezer."
~Quote from Lochorn. Lochorn, you must be a "meathunter" too. Don't bother calling yourself a "sportsman" either. Todd |
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Luckily you have no say.
You guys have to realize he just likes to read his own words, he'll argue with himself if he could. I think he's sulking because nobody responded to his thread. How a "brown it's down" guy could consider himself a sportsmen, is beyond funny. |
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BTbowhunter, There you go again saying exactally what I wanted to say before I had a chance to. Well said about farmers and crop damage. With you here my posting is very slow. I may never get my monster buck or whatever is next at 1000 posts. nicely done my friend.
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You are looking at it the way alot of people do, but try this perspective--- isn't tradition a BIG part of the overall hunt, also? Going to the same area, with the same crew, staying at the same cabin, year after year, passed down through the generations, that's all part of the hunting "spirit" too. There is no need to take this away as an excuse for poor management. If for example we WERE to go to another Co, and spend time searching for a NEW place to hunt, wouldn't it also be quite possible that we would then in turn be infringing on OTHER hunters' traditional spots, and quite possibly end up further decimating THAT area of deer? Or, even worse, possibly moving to an area that is even more decimated than the one we left to begin with?! My point is that Tradition serves as a constant with which effective management can be controlled, if everyone bounced to a different part of the State every year, kill ratios,counts, and quality management guidelines could never be effectively established and controlled. By having us all in our respective and constant "spots" each year, deer management can effectively be introduced into individual units as necessary. Besides, from another angle, ( and a more personal one) we have met alot of nice people (landowners, hunters, etc) in the respective Co's that we hunt, and I'm sure not many people want to move and start all over when there are much better options available. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/15/2002 09:46:36 |
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I haved lived in Central Pa my entire life.
I've seen the deer heard in my area completely go to h@#l last last several years. Why, because the younger bucks aren't making it to maturity. The buck to doe ratio is way out of wack. Alt's solution is a start. But, more needs to be done. The 3 to one side antler restriction is a good start. I also think that your back tag should be an either or tag. that's one sure fire way to get does killed off. You have to remember, up untill last year, you were only able to hunt bucks for 2 weeks. That's why all the bucks got killed off. You had to see horns. People sat, hunted, drove, whatever just to shoot a buck. Didn't have to be anything special, 3" horn on one side. Most guys are out to get meat for in the freezer. Then there is the issue of limited doe tags. I understand they have to regulate how many deer are killed off in a certain area, but the lottery system they use now just plain stinks. How can you apply for a license that may or may not be there come Monday? It all nothing but luck. Listen to this. This last year, my county was alotted 6000 license. They completely sold out in the first day. It's all in when you put your license in the mail. They have to implement a system that is totally unbiased by humans. For example, apply for your doe license when you buy your regular license. Then use a computer to pick random license numbers. That way it is a totally random pick. Or, even have a actual lottery where your application is drawn out of a barrel. Sorry, I started to ramble. The Game Commission mis-managed the heard for way to long, and we are feeling the effects right now. Remember the bonus tags several years ago? I'd like to know how they estimate what the deer population is in a certain area. How can they come up with even a reasonably close number? Even with officers in the woods, how do you count deer? Here is a for instance, lets suppose officer A is walking from Mountain e to road F on mountain C. He sees 35 deer in his 2 hour walk. Most run in the same general direction. Now, Officer B is walking 2 miles away, on Mountain C. He sees almost the same number of deer an hour later. They meet at the truck when done, and tally up the number of deer seen. Some if not all of these were possibly the same deer. I am not a game biologist, nor do I profess to be one. But, I know that to many bucks are being killed before they reach maturity. What's the answer? Maybe Mr. Alt will have one, and maybe not. Only time will tell. |
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Lochorns, it isn't the farmers right to do that in my own opinion. I feel that it is probablly the most un-ethical thing that I have ever heard. They are farmers, they raise plants that every animal, including humans, loves to eat. They KNOW that deer live in the woods and eat food that is easy to find. All farmers know this. It should go with the work. Because you are a farmer, doesn't mean that you should be able to sit in your tractor with a gun and shoot everything that "might" be eating your food. I know, I know, it is the farmers living, but they could get a different job, they should just accept the fact that no matter what, deer are going to eat the crops they plant. Heck, and if you say that farmers are only farming for the money, that is a load of you know what. A farmer who lives near me and owns 500 acres was offered something like 37 million dollars for the property so the state could build a prison on it. He said no. He enjoys farming, he knows that is what he loves to do, so he, like every farmer should just accept deer and not plot to kill every one they see.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^) |
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Yes, it should be a farmers right to protect his land and crops. The deer, however do not belong to him. If he doesn't want to cooperate with the accepted method of controlling the deer (regulated hunting) he can put a high fence around his place. I know someone will sing out "why should that be the farmers responsibility ?"
My answer would be, that's life! I'm sure we would all be happier if we didn't need to lock our houses but it's a necessary fact of life that we do. Pinwheel, what you ask is just plain reasonable considering the negligble impact that an any sex archery tag would have on the resource. Considering what NR's pay for a license along with the $$ they bring into the state, we should do what's possible to keep them coming. The only line I would draw with NR's is that there should never be a situation where a resident is denied a chance to hunt because a NR got the tag first. I'm sure any hunter would want that for his state. Can't imagine that vere being an issue in Pa either. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> 445 Dont worry, Sooner or later we'll disagree on something. It may not happen when the topic is Pa deer management though<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>!!!! Edited by - btbowhunter on 02/15/2002 14:03:19 |
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Thanks for the thoughts and I agree with you about a resident getting a tag first, it's the only way I would want it, there or anywhere else. I also do feel that by allowing either sex on the original Archery license/backtag it would be enough of an incentive to keep everyone there with their revenue(NR's) and at the same time allow the residents to pick up more of the extra doe tags, mainly because we NR's are only usually there for a week or so and would be plenty content with a either sex or a "earn a buck". One is great, two(one of each sex through earn-a-buck) would be superb! Plus, even if the PGC only allowed either sex this coming year on the original license, do you know how EASY that would be to initiate? basically change some wording and that would be it, when the tag is gone, it's gone, either sex. Of course the earn-a-buck would take a little more, but even that wouldn't be very hard to implement. And the NR's wouldn't gripe about an increase in cost of licensing as much with something along those lines, either. And the residents get the rest of the extra doe tags! Fair? Everybody wins! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/15/2002 14:44:43 |
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Lochorns First I want to clear up is that I do not mind one bit about hunting public land. I like public land and the challange it brings. But I would not turn away to hunt private property at all either. I have been hunting public land my whole life and don't mind it one bit. I love and I mean love opening day of rifle season in PA with it sounding like a war it just gets me juiced.
I also feel that any farmer has the right to protect his or her land as they see fit and would never tell you what to do with it. I just feel that hunters are a great tool to help keep things with the deer population in check. I know you will say that you cant trust them but maybe you can really get to know some of them on a personal level or even interview them if you are worried about slobs.. But slobs are a part of life so we just have to be careful to weed out the bad ones. Hey I never meant anything like saying you couldn't manage or do what you think what is right with regards to your land so hope you didn't take it that way. Pinwheel I really don't thing you need to explain yourself with regards to why you hunt or like to hunt. As long as we are all ethical hunters and follow the rules it doesn't really matter. I hunt for a lot of reasons. SO whatever you take out of it that is great. Enjoy the outdoors and sharing tradition with friends and family is a huge thing for me. I love when we all got together and went hunting as that was some of the best times in my life. SO renting a cabin with friends and family for a hunting trip is one of the many reasons hunting is a great sport. Just some of my opinions Brian Edited by - 445 supermag on 02/15/2002 15:07:28 |
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you guys just don't get it,do you? The real reason about land being closed to tresspass seemsa to have skimed right over your heads. NO ONE not a single one of you even hinted at it. Let me spell it out for you real slow...L>>I>>A>>B>>I>&g t;L>>I>>T>>Y>>. just like that guy that posted about needing to lock your doors now and not likeing it, it's just a way of life. Well now imagine letting a bunch of guys on your land all armed with some type of weapon, let them climb up trees and shoot at will in any direction. heaven forbid someone should fall and break a leg or worse. Bingo there goes another farm.
And you guys that spout about coming and spending a week or two hunting could care less with what our insurance rates cost us all year long.think about it. instal high tensile wire fence @ $5.00/ft around a sq. mile, yeah right. carry 100 million dollar liability insurance yeah right (try to get that when the insurance company knows your letting gun toting guys climb those trees) or manage the herd yourself....which would you pick? |
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445-
Apologize about that, I do get to rambling quite a bit,<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> especially when I feel strongly about something. I can take a hint however and am done, my points have been made.(sorry if too many times! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 |
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Pinwheel I hope you didn't mean that I was say anything against you as matter of fact I was defending you about you saying that you like to get with friends and family and rent a cabin. I am all for that. go do and have a great time that is what hunting is about spending time with others and matching wits with the great deer. Wow sorry about that i just felt that you were getting bashed a little for renting a cabin with friends. Nothing wrong with that. Sorry bud. I don't blame you for being pashionate about it. I am too and don't want anyone saying anything about who or why I like to hunt. I am all for ya.
Lochorns I now see your point. This could of been avioded if you spelled it out for me earlier. SO next time spell it out. Well I guess you could have them sign some kind of paper that states hunt at own risk with some other legal mumbo jumbo. Maybe I am wrong who knows or well. BRian |
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opps double post
Edited by - 445 supermag on 02/15/2002 21:33:59 |
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Lets clear up some misconceptions regarding landowner liability as it relates to hunting. There has been a law on the books for years SPECIFICALLY protecting landowners from liability when it comes to hunters on their land. Any lawyer could tell you that. As for liability insurance for farmers, I have a little inside knowledge here. First, liability insurance for farmowners is dirt cheap. The only time insurance companies ever care anything about hunting is when it's a commercial preserve charging a fee for that hunting. If you happen to own a bunch of land that is vacant and is not comercially farmed, most homeowners policies will extend the liability coverage from your home to that land for NO CHARGE.
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Exactly right BTB. The only liabilty a farmer has for a hunter is if he has a un-natural hazard on his property that he was aware of and failed to warn the hunter about. This would be for things such as an un-marked well. His own negligence is his only legal concern.
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No offense taken, my friend! I said what I had to say, and hopefully the PGC will see some of this thread and gain alot of input from it. Lots of good points that have been made from alot of hunters who have very strong feelings about the way our sport and deer management should be handled. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12 |
RE: I want your opinion on Pa's new proposals!
pinny & hogie 1st please tell me where you went to law school 2nd please tell me where you own some property. with your little knowledge of the law I could very well own it with one little slip.
To some degree you are correct,an insurance rider can be attached to a home/farm policy for pennies , there is a law that states the landowner is not liable for damage in civil court if someone he has given written permission to use his land is hurt or whatever. There is also a law that states that if a landowner posts his property against tresspass he is giving ( posting) an admission of danger. Knowing full well damage could be incured by someone using the land with permission or not. there are many more laws written to protect the landowner/leaser. BUT!!! just as many are co-written to protect the injured. that is where we boys with the sheep skins come into play. Should I venture onto your land and a hazard befalls me. Whom are you going to run to when they bring you that certified letter of legal action being brought on you....? PLEASE PLEASE represent yourselves!!!! My great grand kids need a house. Once again your imfo is as close to the fact as a bald man can say he has some hair ( on his neck) truth in part but hardly in context. Leave the legal wrangeling to those of us that took the time to learn the law an practice it. Or run the risk of selling street corner apples next to your cardboard box. Hogie, did you ever wonder what I did as a full birdie? Now like Paul harvey says ...you know the rest of the story |
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