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Did you read the baiting article that C.J. Winand wrote for the new Bowhunter magazine? It broke the issue down well and gave both the pros and cons. The cons include the spreading of diseases by congregating deer and the privatization of deer to a good bait site, as it would draw deer away from natural areas and hurt a non-baiters chances in doing so. The pros included being able to watch more wildlife and the safety factor of remaining stationary and shooting downward. He concluded that we need better rules to regulate baiting and that we as hunters must be watchful that we do not harm the resource with our hunting methods. We don’t want outsiders having to step in. As you know Pa. is considering allowing the use of baiting to draw deer from areas off limits to hunting in an effort to control the deer numbers in these areas. They state that it is better we do the harvesting than let the non-hunting public get accustomed to non-hunting methods like snipers. It may also force the perfection of birth control methods that would not be in our best interest.

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Funny how crossbows will cut down on the archery season, but allowing baiting to kill more deer then normally would be harvested won't hurt the archer.........hmmmmmmmm
could it be that some hunters are too inept to kill a deer that they need to rely on this unsporting tactic? Better start hold an emergency meeting of the UBP, start a letter writing campaign..slander anyone that would dare think of using a bait bucket!!!
Maybe baiting should only be allowed for handicapped hunters???
NO XBAIT!!!!!!
Baiting is for fat,lazy slob hunters that don't wish to put the effort forth to learn to real hunt. Any kid or women can hunt without it. All it takes is a little practice!
JUST SAY NO TO BAIT!!!
Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/10/2002 08:53:45

Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/10/2002 08:56:45

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Baiting is legal in WV, where I own a farm. I tried it years ago, and found that it didn't help unless you put tons of time in. By the time you baited for a month prior to the season...and baited through the season...you put more damn work in that scouting normally.

JMO

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ledgen,
i am neither fat,lazy,or a slob. and the fact of the matter is, if you hunt a field, next to oak trees, or near a feeder, what is the difference? your hunting a food source.
i can tell you have never humped a 50# bag of corn a mile back into the woods, by your comments.
ARO

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/memb...hanesmith.html

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ARO I did not intend to demean any law abideing sportsman from a state other than Pa. Rather my intentions were dircted straight at the ban of UBP members ( mostly kids) that continue to post how crossbows if legal in Pa would end all archery hunting. and only a fat lazy slob would use that techique as a hunting method. yet their self elected guru Mhogan promotes baiting in Pa. and has quite often on another site asked for it outright, under an alias. Amazing how he can only see no fault in what it is he has a like belief in...isn't it?
where legal now I have no problems with it ( baiting)

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I can't see where I took a position on baiting.

Anyone else have an opinion on baiting either pro or con?

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Ledgen,So you decided to go off topic and ruin the guys thread because your in a bad mood or what?

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Just another tactic,could care either way.If it brings deer numbers down to acceptable levels and keeps the non-hunting public from being concerned thats just a bonus,

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Hogie, in the 2 yrs or so i've seen your name on this an Bowsite you HAVE stsated many times your desire to have baiting legal in some areas. you may be able to play on the fence with the kids but there are many of the silent majority that do remember, nor will we allow others to forget.

Edited by - Christine B on 02/11/2002 11:26:55

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Who said anything about crossbows?

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It is funny how this post started about baiting, and ends up as a crossbow post. Posts about crossbows are old and ridiculous, move on.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

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I did use to be very anti-baiting. As recenty as the summer of last year I posted on Bowsite that it reminded me of shooting birds at a bird feeder. I am not so sure today. In many areas, it is the only way you can realistically expect to harvest a bear. It may not be my cup of tea, butI want to learn more about it before I throw any more stones. And I do dread us forcing them to adopt alternative methods of deer contrrol in areas that can't be hunted. But if it gives hunters a black eye, we may want the snipers to do that job. I just want to hear your thoughts on it. In some states like Michigan, it is the regular way to bowhunt. That is the state that CJ was speaking of mostly in his article.

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In Md. baiting deer is legal except on state owned property. I keep a bait pile in my backyard about 60 yards from my house. I like to watch the deer as well as eat them. You can get a deer on bait but you better do it early during bow season. After the first day of gun season the deer will not show up on my baitpile until after dark. But one thing for sure my deer are fatter than the other deer I see in this area.

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Ledgen,Are you 80 or 8? &quot;Well he started it.&quot;Sorry excuse.

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Blah, blah, blah, just skip his posts, guys.
I think baiting needs to be very closely looked at in areas where disease have been found. I'd be in support of a ban in any state where CWD has been found in the past year or two.
I think baiting is just another method, one I don't find very successful on mature bucks. It'll work just fine for a fat doe, especially in the late season. Too much work for me. Other than the spread of disease, I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be allowed.

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Lochorns, I have only one handle/nickname.Are you losing it that badly that you think everyone that doesn't like your attitude is actually one person using mutiple nick names?I my email is poted. I am who I say I am.Charlie P from Vestal NY.

Bite you.lol.I don't eat grizzled old meat,Pal.

I think my 11 yr old is more mature then you.

Mhogan,Didn't start anything on this post,did he?

Edited by - Charlie P on 02/11/2002 09:38:15

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Lochorns, I don't see any of us REAL bow hunters slamming crossbow hunters every chance we get, but I do see you trying to cause more trouble than anybody else on this site. You seem to think that the world should revolve around you. IT DOESN'T

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

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Believe it or not Pope and Young recognizes deer taken over bait as fair chase. Most mature deer coming into bait will circle the bait area first before coming in. And they are nervous as can be. All that has to happen is a car come down the road and the deer run off. Lochorns I'll bet you can not get a deer on my bait pile with your bow. Deer coming into bait are much more wary than a deer walking down a trail.

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Lochorns...I've been feeding deer at my farm in WV for 20 years. I've had corn/apples/bread/protein pellets, etc out in our yard purely for observation purposes. We've not even shot any deer near our camp in the past 5+ years. I can't even open the curtains to look at them without them running away. And our property isn't overhunted. You must have been feeding those deer for a long, long time.

BTW, I'm anti X-GUN (unless disabled) and Pro-baiting. I feel baiting is just another option...and if it were as &quot;easy&quot; as most folks think that everybody in WV or Ohio would be doing it.

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Personal attacks will NOT be tolerated on this forum, or any other forum on this board!

Its not what you harvest...
Its what you learn...
Christine

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Just curious--how many of you that are against baiting, will hunt next to a food source? How many will use doe-in-heat urine or other sex scents as attractants? I have never baited, but aren't these other methods pretty much the same--or, at least very similar?

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DaveH, I have heard that and that it isn't the sure fire thing many people feel it is. In this case, Pennsylvania is only considering baiting for areas that have both a high human and deer density. It is hoped that hunters can bait deer out away from the no hunting areas to keep their numbers down.

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I am ok with any hunting method that is legal. Dont know about other states laws but someone posted on here before that even feeding deer in PA is against the law. DaveH brings up a good point. What is the difference between hunting deer over bait and hunting over a small food plot that you planted to bait the deer in? I think that the deer that come to my baitpile are in better shape than the other deer around here, because most of the fawn does have babies the first year and some of the adult does have triplets. I think that my feed and minerals is the reason for this. I am doing the deer a favor. As far as crossbows go in my state you cannot hunt with a crossbow unless a doctor says you are unable to hunt with a regular bow because of a physical limitation and that is ok with me.

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Personally I would think that baiting would initially cause a few more immature deer to be harvested. Once they get shot at over bait a time or two, however, they would likely wise up very quickly and adjust their habits accordingly. I can tell you that Ontario bears sure do! I would think the political fallout wouldn't be worth it. Hunters would have yet one more reason to battle among one another (something some here seem to just love). The anti's would make a big deal out of it. From what I've heard from other states it wouldn't be worth the trouble for the minimal results it seems likely to get.

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To tell you the truth, I don't think it would cause any trouble at all. Most of the discussion and debate would be in the handful of online sites dealing with hunting. When it passed in NJ, nobody even knew about it, until hunters started talking about it right before the season. No real difference I can see.
As far as the antis, it's one more thing they'll have to fight to take away. Just one more victory for us, with no real negative effects I can see, except the aforementioned areas where disease is present.

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Maybe not but the idea of creating a herd of &quot;welfare deer&quot; sounds pretty unsportsmanlike . I will admit to no experience in this arena but It juat doesn't seem right and the potential health risks (to the deer) that may pop up just make the idea that much less appealing.

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I dont have the exact numbers now but baiting deer is legal in about 22 states.

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And some states like W.Va. allow bear baiting, but not deer baiting.

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Not that my opinion really matters. But. I keep feeders Full of corn in the off season. i have come to find that the deer will use my feeders if they need it. If they dont they wont. if we have a good acorn crop which we have in the past 3 years,,,the deer hardly touch it. ( the squirells give it heck tho) I quit feeding about 2 months before the Pa. deer season opens. I have yet to find deer searching for corn at any time during the hunting season. but,,this topic has me wonderin if i am a sportsmanslike hunter or an unsportsmenslike hunter due to the fact that i have baited deer & i probably will in the future. I see nothing wrong with it! I dont go out all fall & shoot deer off the light, I spend alot of time each year searching for the perfect treestand placement & i think that if a deer stops to get a little nibble of something while im preparing to make a shot in a clear opening more power to me,,,im gonna have the time to get a good clean kill shot & im not gonna be lookin in the next county for a deer with an arrow half broken off inside it. like i said thats just my opinion & im sure that i'll get plenty of criticism for bein honest but thats just me.

have a nice day
Mike

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Baiting Bear is illegal in West Virgina.

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Hello All,

My father has a lease in Delaware where they do allow baiting and salting of deer. We hauled 100 lbs of salt down there two years ago. It took three months for the deer to start hitting the salt blocks. The blocks are pretty well gone by now but we have never seen a deer at the blocks.

My father hunted over salt for four days that year and did not see a deer. Next we tried shelled corn. The squirrels loved it but most of it rotted up or germinated.

Next, Dad hauled 100 lbs of apples. Placed them under the loblolly trees. He hunted over the apples for six days. Did not see a deer near them. They rotted up too. I think we wasted alot of time and effort trying to bait these deer.

Dad has killed three bucks in three years in Delaware. All during the rut when they were chasing does. We could not kill a deer there at any other time. Does baiting work? Is it unfair? It didn't work for us in Delaware.


This is my only experience with baiting and I sure wouldn't waste my time or money doing it here in PA if it were legal. I would rather hunt under a white oak tree dropping acorns or next to an alfalfa field. Better yet over a hot scrape or rub line during the rut!!!

Gar

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Mhogan, Christine's right. WV allows the baiting of deer...but not turkeys or bear. Like I said before, baiting to kill a deer is an art. It's more challenging than you think and more work than it's worth in my eyes. However, I have no problem with it.

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Mike, of course your opinion maters. Wouldn't you feel left out if you didn't get critisium like everyone else? :)

Christine, you are correct. Are you allowed to bait deer?

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like I said earlier. I've been feeding deer/bear for more than 10 yrs. and do it yr round. If you leave the feed out 24/7 they will feed at night. knowing they will eat undisturbed. the trick to seeing daytime deer is only place enough feed for 1 feeding and remove it before dark. they'll soon be so conditioned to comming in during daylight. You can be mowing the lawn within 10 feet of them and they'll hardly give you a look. After a few weeks of this you can leave feed out 24/7 and they'll just come in the morning and late day.
To those guys that say they aren't killing bucks over the feed. the trick is to feed the does. during the rut the bucks will come to looking for the does.
Pa does have a law written that says you cannot intentionally plant a food plot for the purpose of hunting over it. nor can you hunt near one that was planted for that purpose whether you are knowledgeable of it or not. The burden falls on the hunter to prove himself. not the PGC to prove otherwise. Pa's law in regard to this follows the same guidelines as the Federal migratory bird acts.
like I said in another post .you can stand in a cut corn field with waste corn lying all about. perfectly legal. But pick up a cob and toss it over by your stand from that same field and you just broke the law.
There is about as much challenge to hunting an established bait sight as there is in stomping baby chicks. It will surely come under fire from an anti org. .also ultimately be the ruination of sport hunting in this state. Once guys figure out how to do it correctly. you guys that fear the crossbow, should ...FEAR THIS EVEN MORE!!!!!
Pro Crossbow/ Anti bait

Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/11/2002 17:58:02

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Yes, as Pro-Line stated baiting deer is allowed in WV. However the baiting of Bear, Turkey, and Boars is illlegal here.





Edited by - Christine B on 02/11/2002 18:30:29

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Thanks. Then I would like to change my previous post to:

And some states like W.Va. allow deer baiting, but not bear baiting.

I wanted to show that you can't just say this or that state allows baiting. Some allow it for some animals, but not all animals.

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I dont think anyone should be on here admitting they feed deer in PA because it has been posted on here that that is against the law. As for crossbows only in Ohio can anyone hunt with a crossbow and you know what more deer are taken there with a crossbow than with a regular bow. Why is that.

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i have never hunted over bait here in n.y. itnis illegal. i guess in the rigth situation it may help. but with a little scouting you can find were they eat. happy hunting.