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Sorry if my post about feeding deer in PA. was not accurate. I was just reiterating what someone from PA. had posted a while back. And like I said before I have no problem with any hunting method that is legal for that particular state. In most every state crossbows are illegal to hunt deer with unless you are handicapped and that is ok with me. I find it suspect that both of you who are absolutely against baiting deer, are really into feeding deer. Yea right.

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Why does every post have to turn into a bash Alt and bash people who don't want X-Bows post? This was talking about baiting, not baiting compared to crossbow supporters. If your are not disabled, you should use a real bow, if you are disabled, then go ahead and use a crossbow. If they legallize baiting, good, I will not do it, so it doesn't affect me, if they don't legallize it, good, it won't matter.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

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So how do you feel about antler ristrictions?

A. Crossbows.

Would you allow baiting in special regulation areas.

A. Ummm, crossbows.

How do you feel about the concurrent deer season?

a. Crossbows, yep, that's the ticket, crossbows.

Would you favor Sunday hunting?

A. Ah, crossbows.

How do you feel about the pre-rut doe hunt.

a. I would have to say, crossbows.

Is Alt doing a good job?

A. Again, I say crossbows.

Is that your final answer?

A. Yes, crossbows!

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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>LOLROTF<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I guess we done been told!
Crossbows are the answer!
How could we all have been so blind?

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Man!!!!!!!!!!i just got home from a hard days work to find out i did'nt get bashed!!!!!!!!!! (previous post) Im happy!!!!!!!!! :)

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I myself must wonder how you guys get thru life so blinded by fear and greed.
UBP for equipment restrictions
UBP against crossbows
UBP against jr hunters
UBP against sr hunters
UBP against gun hunters
UBP against landowner rights
UBP for archery bear season.
UBP for archery elk season
UBP forSept 1---Feb-1 hunting season
UBP for Sunday hunting
UBP, all 5000+ of them saying they are the voice of the archer ( where is the paperwork making them the voice)...oh it is assumed we the remaining 270,000 + want them to speak for us.
Yep! the good ole UBP is the answer.
But what they really are is an embarassment to every sportsman/woman of the state that does not see themselves thru egotistical blindness. Every sportsperson of the state that welcomes his/her fellow sportasman to the outdoors.

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gimpy: I may be wrong, I'm not 100% certain, mind ya. But I do recall it takeing 2 to stir it up, when I was a kid.
You don't like what I post. don't reply. pretty simple.
I will post pro crossbow threads. This is for sure. In the event that it may have slipped your attention. Please allow me to remind you this is the HUNTING NET. where HUNTING related topics are discussed. This is not just a traditional or modern bowsite.
Ps Gimpy: I emailed those very same thoughts to the moderators several times, as well as this very day. About another poster, yet I see he remains as well.

Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/12/2002 18:32:06

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Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/12/2002 18:30:10

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I would rather see it contained here Gimpy. He gets booted from here and who knows where he will turn up next. I think he does the crossbow cause great harm with his personality. Bowhunters need him. :)

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Great idea Mark! Lets send his resume to Horton, Barnett and all the other xbow mfr's! I bet they'd like to have a trophybowhunter/lawyer/bird colonel/wildlife biology expert/hog farmer/land tycoon with 80+ years of experience as their spokesperson! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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So, I would like to know, for or against baiting in special regulations areas only now. Lets assume that they will use professional snipers to harvest the excessive deer if hunters don't do it. Just like Phila and some other areas are already. Considering all of the pros and cons, would you be for or against hunters using bait to try to draw deer from these no hunting areas. Just a for or against please.

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Loc...Isn't that a slap in the face to disabled hunters that harvest deer now without bait??? Just to allow it for them???

BTW...still pro baiting, anti-crossgun. From a state that allows crossbows.

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Yes, baiting allowed in any situation. Crossguns in gun season. Bows in bow season.

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Loc, I do realize that many disabled archers use compounds. However, many disabled hunters CANNOT. There's no option for some...they need a crossbow. It's a crossbow or no bowhunting. The absence of bait isn't keeping them from hunting, though. They can hunt an oak lot as well as an apple pile.

That said...I think baiting should be legal for handicapped people. As I stated before...I feel baiting should be legal for everybody. I don't do it...Hell, I don't even condone it. I'm just experienced enough with baiting to know that 99% of folks are too lazy to put in the time it takes for baiting to really pay off.

You cannot put a pile of apples in the woods and go hunt it the next day and have deer come to it. Sure, some does may come in...some small bucks may even come. But isn't that a good management tool?

Killing does and small bucks only helps the herd. I'm willing to bet that the number of big bucks killed over bait each year in the US is small. Really small. (Excluding ranches)

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To answer your question Mark, I'm not crazy about the idea of baiting anywhere, but if it's baiting or sharpshooters, I would choose baiting.

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WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Whew indeed. :)

Me too BTB. I would prefer they let treestand only archery hunting first in those areas. How much safer could you be than that?

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Pope and Young rules on fair chase:

Hunting deer with dogs = fair chase

Hunting deer by pushing them during a drive = fair chase

Hunting deer over bait = fair chase

Hunting deer with a crossbow during bow season = NO WAY

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I'm one of the bowhunters in the Fox Chapel program and that's exactly what we do. The sharpshooting goes on after the bow season and only where bowhunting (with or without bait) isn't feasible.
I really dont think baiting would be any help there. I think it should be a last last LAST resort anywhere!

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That's another question. I'm told it's effectiveness is largely overblown.

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Not in my opinion, Mark. I've hunted for 10 different landowners in 8 years (6 properties but people have moved in and out) Every one of those has agreed that there has been a noticeable difference. Also the deer/ car collisions in entire the borough are down by over 80% from what they were before the program. Just curious, where did you hear that the success was overrated?

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Sorry for the missunderstanding. I was referring to baiting.

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I too have heard that baiting is overrated.
I've heard that a few apples becomes a bushel becomes a wheelbarrowful becomes a truckload in order to draw em from the next guys baitpile. The articles I've read on baiting, mostly from Michigan, we're not exactly glowing reviews. I really hope we don't start down that slippery slope!

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Well - I guess I'll throw my feet in the fire.I've deer hunted 30yrs,27 of those yrs never baited.My state in recent years allowed baiting on private land.That No1 makes it legal.They want to reduce the deer herd.

I hunt 200+ acres.The land owner has put his land under state management for habitat improvement.No more bean or corn crops to hunt over.All the farms around us have corn/beans.5K of adjacent state land leaves standing corn!This has left us with no other alternative,except to bait and draw deer off other property.I/we bait very little,and only it certain areas to draw deer into and move them thru the farm.We do not dump truck loads of corn(as some do).

If you think about it almost everthing we do in the pursuit of deer is baiting.

I carry 3-4 apples with me at all times.I rub them on boots,clothing,trees.I've seen deer walk up to stand with nose to ground,sniffing apples.Is this baiting or just scent cover??

If I plant apple trees next year,(I am BTW) use a grunt call,use tinks super duper #9 and watch Mr Buck walk in with lip curled,did I bait that deer?

Baiting is expensive and a pain the Butt! This past year we planted clover.Saved alot on bait cost.

You do what you gotta do,as long as it's legal.

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if baiting is so not worth the effort, never kill a big moss back buck near a bait pile. I wonder why so many guys pay big $$ to do it in such areas as Texas and as far as Sask.
With baiting the biggest pile wins.
and how do you keep the bears out of it, or the turkeys?
PRO CROSSBOW / ANTI BAIT

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Anti Crossbow/Anti Bait

Just Say No to Crossbows!

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Gar at least you're half correct..how about best of 3...
ANTI BAIT/ ANTI UBP/ PRO CROSSBOW

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Correction:

Anti Crossbow/Anti Bait/Anti Mean People

Mean People Suck!



Just Say No to Crossbows!

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Hey Gar Some posters on this Baiting thread have said &quot; baiting doesn't work.&quot;
I beg to differ it sure brings Hogie,Bt, and you out when I bait
ANTI EVERYTHING..'cept the beloved crossbow

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Gimpy,
Yea - I guess it does lessen the overall thrill of the &quot;All Natural&quot; hunt.However - Baiting IF done properly,does and will move deer thru the property and keep them there to a certain extent.Baiting is not about throwing bait a few yards from stand and shooting an animal as he eats.

All in All - I would rather not bait.I'd rather spend my time doing more productive scouting etc...