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New York Bill Will Expand Hunting Opportunities Recent News
A New York Senate Bill would expand deer and bear hunting opportunities in parts of the state.

Senate Bill 2326, sponsored by Sen. Dale Volker, R-Depew, would allow the use of rifles to hunt deer and bears in southern New York. In all, it would expand hunting opportunities in fourteen counties.


The bill has been approved by the Senate Committee on Environmental Conservation and awaits action in the Senate Rules Committee.

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My first thoughts.........This Sucks!!!![:' (]

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believe it or not, this is bad news, for better quality buck management in westen
n.y., we are very close to the quality of bucks to the mid western states, and for
the most part state like ohio, iowa, Ill, can atribute there most of the quality of
big bucks, do to a short, gun season, and shotgun only, if they should do anything
they should open archery much earlyier, and leave loader open later, but totaly
against rifles in the southern zone, for the meat hunter, its great, for quality buck
we can just kiss it goodbye, and everything gained up to this point, out the window,[:@]

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NORSMEN, right on target again!!!!

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One question if you kill a deer with a sling shot or a rifle in the end have you not still killed the deer????

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Lets see if John has a gun that will shoot 400yd.and Billy has a gun that will shoot 150yds and there are 5 deer on a hill 350yds away who will kill more deer John or Bill.

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more deer would be harvested in more open country, in the western part of the state, and this is all brought on by insurance company lobiest, influance on law makers, $$$$$$$$$$$ big money, hell i hunt the adirondaks and catskills,
wouldent think of using anything but a rifle, if rifles came in to the cental and western part of n.y. , it would go right back to the old days, of basket racked first
year bucks, and this is going to come down to bow hunters verses gun hunters
and just what antis love to see,[:@]

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Norsmen, your starting to scare me your right on again;)

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Norsemen I do believe you have brought up a good point.

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I think I' m going to have to run for public office, maybe we could call it the hunting
zarr, or president of whitetail management, Think i would get any votes?:D

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Any info on what counties are going to be affected?

Im mixed on this one. Id rather not have it though, as I prefer the way things are now.

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guys, as an outsider(from vt, not ny) you are talking crazy talk. your " quality" ( and who is to define quality to a first timer, or to the rest of us who like to eat deer meat) did not happen just because it is shotgun only, it most likely came about for safety reasons. and your quality bucks happened because of management, fertilizer, and genetics. the way you describe it, the nice bucks came about because of shotguns, and can' t happen with rifles. i think you should check, while some of the above described states do have shotgun regulations, other states, with " qulaity" deer, allow rifle hunting, and don' t seem to have any problems.

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Norsemen,You got my vote and maybe you need a cabinet member;). Vtbuckrulrss,yes there are states with quality deer that have rifle hunting,and if everyone practiced QDM it would not matter,rifle or shotgun,but thats not the case and using limited range weapons only helps make the taking of a deer harder and thus keeps some deer alive that would not be if rifle hunting were allowed.The deer that are older and smarter are most likely the ones to avoid hunters and stay out of range.

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DVD- you have my vote to:D I really cant come up with anything more to this one, you pretty much said it all, I was trying to think of somthing to say like states
like iowa, IL, ohio, get flocks of people each year, for there quality bucks, but
so does states like vermont and P.A. for there quality hunting, period, i think it' s
hard for people that have only hunted one type of terrain to know what were talking about, but on the other hand new england states sure do turn out some big monsters every year, just look at the benoits, :D

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norseman, you are right, some n.e. states do turn out huge bucks, but this is the odd part, maybe someone can give us some insight. i have hunted vt, me, and mass myself seen lots of deer to no deer.how is it possible, that i have seen pics of big deer coming from both heavily human and deer populated areas, and have also seen the same from sparsely populated areas? i would say that the manner in which they were killed don' t matter, some were shot by bow, some muzzleloader, and of course rifle and shotgun, and this is the point of this post, from what i have seen, it really doesn' t matter what you use, there will still be big boys for everyone willing to put in the time, and not sit in a spot overlooking a food plot. we need to learn how to hunt again. and about that family, personally i don' t know, but i have heard way to many bad rumors about their methods of hunting to respect it. maybe the rumors were a result of someone that is just jealous.

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VT, i have followed and read stories over the years to, and i' m just not going to judge anyone, and what ever method we choose ( legal of course) is fine with me,
but i think for the true meat hunter, a area or state with the most deer density,
is going to give the hunter the best chance at harvesting a deer, and large deer
density dosent translate to large nunbers of mature buck, and an area with a larger percentage of trophy size buck is were i choose to hunt, to increase ones
odds of quality buck, theres nothing wrong with that, it' s just my choice, just as
the fella with limmited time to hunt is very happy with the first buck that comes along, i did that for many years, because of very low percentage of good bucks
but things have changed, especially in my area, with higher ratio of 2 1/2 year old
animals an up, very simular to why people flock to the mid west for big bucks,
there are just more of them to choose from, thus increasing your odds, if you look at a state like V.T. or P.A out of 100 hunters maybe 2 or 3 will score on mature
animals 2 1/2 or older, in western N.Y. it would be like 20 to 25, in iowa or Il
it would be like 40 to 45, again this is just the average hunter, so were would a
person that had a choice go to hunt quality buck? I personaly will be hunting ohio
and kentucky this deer season, because of high percentage of big bucks, dosent
mean i will be sucsessful, but the odds are alot better,, now i dident add maine
to the stats because i just dont know, and I do realise they kill some unreal heavyweights up there, just dont know what the ratio is on kills of mature animals to the amount of hunters, i suspect it' s low,, :D bottom line is i would rather hunt with a guy from V.T, or PA any day of the week, because of the woodsmanship and knowledge they bring to the table:D

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I live in Northern Tier NY, and have a camp in the southern region. Mainly because I love to bowhunt as much as possible. Northern tier archery is way to short. Once both regular seasons are open and I have to pull out my guns. I much prefer Northern Tier with a rifle. Even on opening day for Northern regular season you don' t hear 5 to 15 shots all from the same hunter just blazing lead. Why? Because rifles are more accurate, and due to the longer ranges a hunter has to carefully aim. Southern Tier regular season, I Hate it. Mostly seems like a bunch of crazies running around just flying lead at deer out of reach or ones on a dead all out run. I hear some serious crazy rounds going off. Its uncalled for, and wished in past the DEC would implement a 3 shot plug rule for safeties sake. Now maybe if southern regular season was open to rifle it' d slow the knuckleheads down. Least I hope!! PA is open to rifle across the state. Maybe a fellow PA hunter could give us some input here. As far as extending gun seasons, I don' t agree, and much rather see more archery time, but like I said I love to bowhunt more anyways.

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Buckalley,you probably don' t hear all those shots in the northern zone because of the smaller amount of hunters there as well as the lack of longer shots in the big woods(heck might even be because there are better woodsmen there).If rifles are allowed in the southern zone instead of vollies of shot guns going off it will be the same but with rifles. Can' t assume its because they are all shooting at out of range deer alot are not proficient shots and just let the lead fly(shotgun or rifle)I guess I shouldn' t assume you are hunting in big woods in nothern zone,although it is mostly, there are areas in St. Larwence county and other places that have some opened land.Everyone also seems to forget the reason rifles are legal in NZ and not SZ is because SZ in much more densly populated.We as hunters get enough blackeyes without someone with a rifle that can carry for miles hits a dwelling or the farmers cow or worse yet a person!

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I have never been a big shotgun fan .. I use a muzzle loader in ny and nj, So I am for the change. I too hear all the shots and find the deer dead that these yahoos shoot at and wound then run off and die. 2 years ago I found 2 of them, I don' t know if the change will help this or not , It should just because of accuracy and distance difference. our farm is in Van etten in chumung county and it is much denser than marshalls creek where I live in pa and rifles are legal. I don' t hear the " crazy" shooting in pa that I hear in ny, and it seems to me I hear of more shooting accidents in my area of ny than I hear of in pa .. So I hope it will help with that also ..Bill

PS. most of the guys I see in ny don' t use scopes on their shotguns .. I bet they will on rifles.. That alone will help ..

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I forgt to ask if anybody knows what countys are involved ..Thanks Bill

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http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S02326&sh=t

I see madison county (where I am) does not change - on bill 2326 BUT http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A05872 seems to indicate ALL Soouthern Teir. -

you can look for other NY Bills being considered on the website - below is a link when searching for " hunting" - http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?by=k&qs=hunting

its good to see what legeslation is in the works!

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this is a reply to 338, have hunted P.A. many times during the rifle season, and
for as much land and area i hunted, found it to have blaze orange behind every
3rd tree, alot of hunting pressure in this state, but the resason theres less shooting is because 100 antlerless deer would run by, trailed by a spike or little 4
point that dosent stand to make it till lunch time, because doe are only harvested
at the end of the season, those poor bucks dont stand a chance, i think the numbers are 1.2 million hunters opening day, could you amagine the shooting
going on if like every other state they shoot all deer from day one, the state that i have found to have the most shooting was ohio, unreal, i thought i was landing on the beach at normandy[:@][:o]:D no disrespect to any veterans :)

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I still say if the main reason for shotguns in the southern tier is for safety, then 3 shot plug them, and force hunters to make their hits count over flying lead at deer. It only gives us bad reputations anyways in my opinion. I mean why in the heck do some hunters need to shoot 10 plus times at a deer or group of deer. This in essence is probably whats led the state to implement orange, which I don' t have a problem with. I wear it anyways.
Far as northern & southern tiers. Jefferson & Lewis counties contain numerous open farm lands for long range rifle shots. The longest shot I' ve ever taken with a rifle is 110yds. 1 shot perfect in his chest., and he was done. Southern tier my longest was 90yds with the slug thrower. Again in the chest area, but I had to put 2 more in him to finish him off at close range. So it seems to me if the States idea of throwing more larger size ounces of lead at deer to put them down, because shotguns just are not as accurate is their idea of safety. Then why do I feel like wearing a bullet proof vest in the woods on opening day of southern tier[X(]! On doe permits in the southern zones compared to bucks only up north. My region Oswego county has been issuing doe permits for the last 2 seasons. I still don' t hear the crazy number of shots. far as the woods I hunt around home are no thicker or more open then the woods I hunt in my southern zone area. I' m also switching to a muzzleloader down south this season. Heck I can reach out to 200yds with that, and its alot more accurate!!!!!!!! I' d much rather take 1 shot over 3 or more.

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In reply to norsemen. What I ment was that the people shoot at 1 deer to many times I hear 5 shots then they reload and start shooting again, I hear this all day long. I don' t hear this in pa. I do understand what you mean with the does as we can shoot does on opening day in pa now, I have heard many more shots last season than before .. I hunt private land in both ny and pa .. I bet the pressure is very high on state land ..

Thanks for posting farm hunter .. I read that it is effective immediately. Is that true? ... Thanks Bill

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No Bill - Its only " effective immediately" if the Bill is passed, and signed into law - and the original wording stands.

As far as I know - that has not happened yet. I' m also unclear on which bill, or both are being considered.

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farm hunter, it' s very hard for me to believe that this could become law, I there have been nothing mentioned in local newspaper' s or nothing, but it wouldn' t
suprise me though, many laws have passed , flow' n in under the radar, but what
ever the outcome, i' m sure we could adjust, we can use rifle cartridge in a pistol
now, but i' m not only conserned about the deer herd, but also a huge safety factor,
but thanks alot for posting your findings, and info:D
338, i dident know they changed the laws in P.A. reguarding the buck only hunting
this should help out a little in increaseing the quality of bucks for the future, really
it was long over do, how p.a. managed there deer herd, but it' s never to late,
and with the long proud tradition of deer hunting in your state, i' m sure things will
get better, just make sure to wear some blaze orange:D

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Yes norsemen .. last year I put out about 100lb of apples at one time and had 27 does and 4 bucks camp in my front yard.. the ratio is a little out of wack .. I do not take bucks off my land only does to try to get it closer to a good ratio .. I just have to get the neighbors to do the same for a while ..Bill

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PS. thanks farm hunter .. I will wait to hear ..Bill

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338, we were in the same boat a few short years ago, it wont take long, convincing neighbors, thats another story, Istill cant get throw to them, but i figure
every 10 or 20 first year bucks you guys let walk, a few will make it through, and maybe wind up on your wall the next year, good luck buddy:D

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It seems to be workin.. Last year we had 5 bucks in the feeder after the season .. 2 of the were legal to shoot.. I doubt they would be here if they haden' t started the 3 point rule .. Thanks Bill

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338, also once you get to the point were 2 1/2 year olds are making it through the
onslot, shed hunting is a passion and a scouting tool i use every year in my area of western n.y., and have picked up matched sheds and killed the deer the following year, this year i have 2 diferant sheds from 130 to 145 class bucks,
that allready have my full attention for this up coming archery season, the 145
class could be knocking on the 160+ class this season, and i have my fingers crossed, best i could do is try, very hard, even when i find a small 1 1/2 old shed
thats good news to me, because i know i will have a mature buck to hunt the following season, 2 things never lie, big buck tracks, and big sheds, as opposed
to the people that seem to always see the 12 pointer, tell them to prove it,
thats were those game cameras are starting to get me interested,:D

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Are you kidding? There' s enough problems with yahoos and slugs..then to give ' em rifles? Nuts! However, I can' t understand why NY won' t allow buckshot in the Southern region.

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These guys are bad enough with what they think they can hit with 1 projectile.. imagine if they had many ..
I think most of the shotguns used are pumps or auto .. Most rifles are bolt, It should slow them down and make them try to make the first shot count ..Bill

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thats it 338, your not allowed in n.y. anymore, you stay right there in strudsburg
and shoot your trophy spike bucks, and if you cross the state line you will see
some serious lead flyin:D the word is out on you, you couldn' t get a second
shot off with a 338, because your looking for all your filling on the ground, that
flew out of your teeth, on that fisrt shot with your rino gun[:o]:D

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338, I don' t know what part of NY you hunt but I think your way over board.I use a bolt shot gun and so do most of the group I hunt with.I pride my self in 1 shot kills but if need be I can work that bolt about as fast as my pump.I pesonally don' t hear half the amount of shooting I used to a few years back.I have hunted Pa. 4or5 times and I heard alot more shooting there,could be because there was orange behind every tree.:D

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DVD, being that he lives in the pocono' s he probably drives straight north up around binghampton area and a little west, i heard that area gets heavy pounded
sounds to me like he' s got a chip on his shoulder, because he' s not killing any
big bucks in p.a. or n.y., but what ever the case, he diserve' s to be were he' s at
right in the middle of a war zone:D living in the pocono' s i bet he' s a city
transplant from jersey or nyc, anyway, have to admit, when i drive thru there
from scranton to the delawere water gap, see alot of road kills, huge deer population around there, but i bet his troghy wall is a pile of p.a. 4 and 6 points
if he' s lucky,:D DVD please send me a PM, i want to ask you some questions
on your bolt action :D

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You guys sure do take this personal, You would think I am talking about you. This is just what I experience in the area I hunt, It won' t stop me from hunting there or does it really bother .
When I use the .338 I have no need for a second shot so there is no problem with that. javascript:void(AddText(' :D' ))
http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/image/s2.gifI to pride myself with one shot kills. actually I have no problem with the recoil. I think it is impossible to work a bolt as fast as a pump or auto, If you can more power to you .
The farm that we have was bought by my great grandfather in the early 50' s. Yes it is about a hr. west of binghamton in a town called van etten for the most part it is wooded with some fields. It is all private land and the guys I see are all local and from what I see use pumps and autos,do mostly drives and shoot at running deer.
I hunt mostly good size private land here in pa. I do not hear the shots that I hear in ny being shot at one deer. Last season I heard alot of shots now that we are allowed to shoot does on opening day.
As for the size of the deer I shoot last season here in pa I shot a 140 class 9pts with the bow. NY I shot a good size 8. I think you would be impressed with the class of deer that I have shot in my area over the years, Yes we do have alot of small deer here but in a few years I think most people will be impressed with the deer we should have here .. Bill

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bill, you just cant lump everyone in a general statement like them guys, look
i have had some strange thing happen to me in potter co, and i sure as hell aint
gonna knock pa hunters, we all got big bucks on our mind, but after leaving p.a.
one year, with a 14" 4 pt, and having it aged at 3 1/2 years old, knew there was
a hugh problem, and after reading about changes in management tactics, my even
consider going back one day, time will tell, i do retrack my coment about your
4 and 6 pts, you did just have me a little pissed off, and a 140 class bow kill in of all states p.a., is quite an accomplishment, god nows before things turned around up hear, 4 & 6 pts were the norm, if you dident shoot one the first few days of the
season, you were not going to kill a buck, I have a dishwashed size box full of
small racks to prove it, [:@]:D