heck we like to varmit shoot too

As far as the estimated harvest, I agree that PA should improve their reporting system. We could do better but anyone who understands how statistics and the law of large numbers work will tell you that PA's numbers are statistically accurate even though they're not exact.

When you compare Ohio, I assume your talking about success rates per hunter? If thats what your'e saying, your answer lies in one of your previous posts. Ohio has less deer but far less hunters. They have more deer per hunter because we have so many hunters. The square mileage is very close between the two so the deer harvested per square mile is higher in PA while Ohio has a better success rate.

Again, read the report. BTW, Ohio is a midwest state and wasnt in that particular comparison.

My Gosh! Roe's off spring for sure. NOW IT MAKES SENSE

If I claim to be short of balance by 40 mill and don't disclose a windfall of 700 mil I guess that's still "statisically accurate"

"Again, read the report. BTW, Ohio is a midwest state and wasnt in that particular comparison."

Yeah. So we noticed. But if you wanna pick nits and get technical Pgc is considered a "Mid Atlantic" state, not a "northern" one. So why compared stats with states like Maine, Etc with rock bottom deer densities and hunter hunter densities? lol.

Id also say more important would be to use common sense in comparing states with at least land masses, hunter densities etc. that are at least in the same universe comparisonwise! lol.

Why compare us to Rhode Island, Jersey & Delaware when they are so ridiculously small??

I think you are smart enough to answer that without me having to tell you btb. Our auditor/previous Pgc executive director saw fit to do so. lol.

You are partailly correct when you call PA a Mid-Atlantic state. It depends on who is making the reference. For example, we are on the Norteast froum here. Sometimes the country is divided differently and PA is often referred to as Mid-Atlantic and is also often referred to as Northeastern.

In this context, however, your point is moot because all the other states known as Mid-Atlantic were also used in the comparison l. Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and New Jersey were all included. As for some of the states being small, the comparison was done on a per square mile basis so state size is also of no matter. 13 states is 1/4 of the US. Where were they supposed to draw a line? Ohio is the only adjoining state that wasnt included. Should they have used all 50?

They arent claiming to be short 40 mil. Potter. Thats what they have in reserve to cover any expenses they might incur if total funding for the year falls short of expenditures. I just pointed that out to show they will survive another year, two or five if it were necessary to do so without a fee increase.

No excuse for the 700 mil being glossed over. Btw, it will be alot more than that. Thats just 4 gamelands. There are a heckuva lot more than 4 gamelands in the state in the Marcellus zone.

"In this context, however, your point is moot because all the other states known as Mid-Atlantic were also used in the comparison l."

No. because it wasnt ME who was being nitpicky over regional designation. YOU brought it up. YOUR point was moot. I just pointed out that many states were picked that WERENT in that designated region yet on RIGHT NEXT DOOR wasnt!...Pretty much speaks for itself. lol.

And if you wanna say we are a northern state, they they still used states outside of the north by going with WV and Va. So no excuse not to include Ohio, Michigan etc.or any others for that matter.

And to include the LOWEST deer density states in the nation.. not even in our region.which were hundreds of miles away and even different forest type for cryin out loud? lmao. No comment necessary.

BT. First I used OH. because PA. and OH. border each other, have the same types of habitat for the most part and have the exact same growing season and climate and the hunters from both states are very similar in dedication to the sport and time spent a field etc. To compare NH. and ME. to PA. is useless!! Both our over 300 miles away, have very different habitats and growing seasons and their hunters (the few they have) really dont care much about the sport. (you dont even know its the first day of deer or bear season up there)

2nd. If you think OH. has less deer per square mile than PA. does you dont have a clue.
The reason OH. hunters have such a higher success rate is because they have more deer per square mile. Pike

I didnt say that or think it. I dont know Ohio's deer density. Do you have that information? I merely said that with virtually the same square mileage (which I was able to find) and something close to half the hunters, their success rate per hunter is bound to be higher.

Do you have Ohios deer density numbers?

Why did you leave out every other adjoining state used in tye comparison? NY,NJ, DE MD and WVa were all included as was VA. None of them are 300 miles away and several are very similar to PA in many ways.

Also need to remember the Pa harvest used wasnt sustainable. Too many deer were killed and are being due to far too many doe tags and harvests exceeding recruitment. The numbers are artificially high because of that fact. If we were to truly stabilize the herd, the harvest with the current herd size would have to be far less.