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#131
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"Tell me Jake,Why is the regeneration behind fenced in excloures fantastic?Is it because those fences shield out the acid rain."
"Sure,other factors also contribute but deer do the most damage.A partial quote from some report doesn't prove otherwise"
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#132
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And what about the unfenced clearcuts that were mostly oak before the cut that regenerate only striped maple beech and birch next to a fenced clearcut that regenerates oak very well?
The only difference is D-E-E-R
The only difference is D-E-E-R
#133
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What are you on?WMI specifivcally stated that there was plenty of evidence that supported deer as being the primary contributing factor for the lack of regeneration.That's not even in question.
Sure,other factors also contribute but deer do the most damage.A partial quote from some report doesn't prove otherwise.
#134
Find a link or a study yourself. Better yet, take a drive, get away from your little 27 acres in Easton and drive up to the ANF and see for yourself.
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Acid effects growth. Slow grow, impeded germination and slow recovery = multiplied effects of what otherwise would have been no deer damage. And thats just one issue. Not even speaking of the invasive species and plethora of other issues effecting regeneration....
Sure it does. They are the experts remember? lmao.
Sure it does. They are the experts remember? lmao.
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Now thats funny right thereI dont care who ya are!
You spend most of your waking hours trying to discredit those very folks!!



All you have to do is take a drive to the unprotected clearcuts and the exclosures all through the ANF to see the difference.
#138
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Full sunlight and zero browsing will in fact result in rapid growth of all species including shade tolerant species. the question then becomes which species survive to become dominant trees after 40 or 50 years. Would it be the slow growing oaks or the fast growing red maples ,birch and aspen?
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"Nope,there's all kinds of prefered regeneration in exclosures that grow at a rapid pace."
As for rapid pace, id imagine it would seem that way compared to areas outside the fence in "natural" conditions. Though most likely slower than should be regardless...
Depleted soils, acid...whatever youd like to blame, depending upon species, there are many culprits.
Ive seen Carl Roe admit to this himself when speaking of timbering gamelands. Said they were cutting trees that were twice as old as they thought they were because of the decrease in growth rate. Sorry, but i dont think blaming the deer would be very rational in that example.
but that phenomenon COULDNT have any effect on a tender delicate little sapling though, could it?
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Now thats funny right thereI dont care who ya are!
You spend most of your waking hours trying to discredit those very folks!!
All you have to do is take a drive to the unprotected clearcuts and the exclosures all through the ANF to see the difference.
You spend most of your waking hours trying to discredit those very folks!!
All you have to do is take a drive to the unprotected clearcuts and the exclosures all through the ANF to see the difference.


