Son sounds like hes hard core Germain.

Ive been out several times driving for others, and i dont even have a tag so not doing it for myself, in some pretty raw weather thusfar.

BTbownter is our current deer zcar Chris Rosenberry and QDMA suffice for ya? Pike

https://www.qdma.com/articles/details.asp?id=94

'''''''''''''''''''The goals of our research were to determine the cause of dispersal and to compare dispersal rates of pre- and post-QDM populations at Chesapeake Farms, a 3,300-acre wildlife and agriculture demonstration area owned by Dupont, located on the eastern shore of Maryland. To compare dispersal rates of the pre- and post-QDM populations, we studied dispersal on Chesapeake Farms when QDM was first implemented and again seven years after implementation.

In 1994, Chesapeake Farms began restricting harvest of bucks with less than seven points. In 1997, Chesapeake Farms modified its antler restrictions to protect all yearling bucks by limiting buck harvest to those with an outside antler spread of 16 or more inches. These restrictions have notably increased the observed number of adult bucks in the population. Harvest records confirm a shift in the buck age structure. Under the pre-QDM management strategy, 30 bucks were harvested each year, most of which were yearlings. From 1997 to present, Chesapeake Farms still harvests 30 bucks per year, with most now being 3 1/2 years old or older (Fig. 1).

Chesapeake Farms has increased annual doe harvest from less than 10 in 1981 to more than 150 in 2002.''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

In case your not Familair with Chesapeake Farms it is 3,300 acres in size and is less than 23% forested.
It is also managed at over 200 deer per forested square mile.

Whats funny to me is that DR. Rosenberry didnt have a problem with the farms deer density since he was one of the chosen few that got to hunt there but now that he is in charge of PA.'s deer program 20 deer per forested square mile is to many. Pike

Jeff, the challenge gave was for him to produce any state agency or professional wildlife manager who has criticized our DMP. Surley you're not suggesting Rosenberry and QDMA did that?

The crickets seem to be the only ones to respond to that challenge so far.

Jeff, I just noticed that you added the link. The context of that article was that antler restrictions dont work when the deer can leave the managed property and really doesnt relate to the situation in PA.

No the deer cant leave, it is surrouned by a little body of water known as the Chesapeake Bay. Pike

Your challenge is an empty challenge, no state wildlife agency employee would ever critisize another state's wildlife agency.
But you already knew thatPike

Btb doesnt like the answers he recieves and always has a manufactured on the fly excuse as to why he refuses to accept them.

I also agree pike, why would other states go out of their way to get involved with denoucning pgcs deer plan???. I also agree he knew that, because hes been told many times in the past. Yet he seems to have a select memory.

I think the fact that states arent following pa's backward lead says it all. Shissler found that states simply arent going this route, despite the several years of data available showing what our results have been.

It is simply ridiculous to expect any deer biologists to be against managing the herd with the goal of healthy deer and a healthy forest. I even agree with those goals. But the question remains as to how various states define those goals and what they are wiling to do to accomplish those goals. The PGC is the only agency that believed if was necessary to reduce the buck harvest to a 30 year low to accomplish those goals ,even though it didn't do anything to improve herd health.

No Im not suggesting that QDMA critisized our DMP but I never once heard any QDM biologist or QDM member tell me that we should manage my or anyone else's property at anywhere close to our current deer density goals.

Then again QDMA's very well known and respected biologist's are not slaves to the Audubon Soc. and the other eco weenie org's like the Deer managment team of the PGC. Pike

That is a quote from C. Alsheimer and the harvest rate of 10 doe/200 acres means they would harvest 32 doe /SM. So if thy harvested 1/3 of the doe on their property ,then there were 96 PS doe PSM.