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You bring up a good point wind.
Why do I hunt my area with fairly low deer numbers?Because I've done pretty good killing buck there.Won't shoot a doe and I will say it gets frustrating being out quite a few times not seeing a deer but as long as I continue killing a buck especially in bow I'm staying.:biggrin:
In another post I said if our camp of 5 or 6 killed doe the last couple of years I wouldn't hunt there.Simply because we know the area very well and could find those last few doe.Heck we know them so well we name them.
I ever tell yinz about the doe with four white ankles and feet named four sox?
Ah nevermind,off subject.:biggrin:
BTW,I miss bluebird's stats.

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"Gotta ask, any of you guys ever hunt western Greene Co.? "

MANY days per year. :s4:

My point is, I hunt someone elses property. The landowner's only request is that I shoot him a doe from his property.

What are you going to do?

I took one doe this year and one doe last year from his property. I did not hunt his property in 2007 because that EHD had already taken a heavy toll over there. Those were the only doe taken there in three hunting seasons.

Now I got to hear the peanut gallery tell me I should not have shot any for him.

The guy could just have easily told me no hunting, but he didn't. I have given him many deer over the years. Back when there were lots of deer, I'd give him 2 or 3 a year.

I'll have it be known that I did pass up 1 or 2 does on his place. I had another 2A tag but chose not to shoot anything on his place in archery season. Once early muzzleloader rolled around, I figured I shouild probably take one for him.

I also had a 2C tag that I never filled. I hunted archery and early Muzzleloader but didn't see much so gave up on filling that tag.

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Originally Posted by Cornelius08 (Post 3559150)

MANY days per year. :s4:

Yeah, I know you do. I was wondering if any of the other guys hunted over there.

Its like a different world compared to up north.

I know they got it bad up there.

I dont shoot does period myself, but I dont disagree with "whatever" you decided to do. Pgc says its legal, go for it. If you wait for pgc to "up" the herd to shoot does, you might be waiting a long long time.

I hunt with a few others during rifle season. I kill "my" buck bow season or on a very odd occassion i dont..I go out during rifle with the bow and during flinter. A couple of kids in our group, during rifle when im usually driving deer, are the only ones who we agree to shoot does, one apiece. And if they kill a buck first.... no doe. Thats strictly our decision, and i dont expect everyone else to do exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by Windwalker7 (Post 3559109)

Maybe I'm missing something. You guys talk about passing up deer and letting them walk because there aren't many deer in that area.

What are you doing hunting in that area to begin with?

If you honestly felt there were too few deer to hunt in some of your spots, why do you bother to drive to said area to hunt? Go to one of the areas that you feel have lots of deer and hunt there.

Doesn't make sense to me to hunt in areas you feel there are to few deer, get out and walk to your stand, hunt the day out and pass up deer. I can understand wanting "to be out there", why not take a camera and leave the bow/gun at home?

Funny thing is, most of the big debates in these forums are about deer population and management. You guys are actually admiting that there are areas that there are too few deer to kill any of the does.

You guys defend the PGC and bash me for whining about deer populations. On one hand I do what the PGC wants, I fill a few tags, on the other hand you guys don't feel there aren't enough deer in your areas to kill any deer, yet you defend the PGC and their policys.

So which way is it? Are there too few deer and the PGC needs to drastically change doe allocations?

Or are there more than enough deer and we should all do what the PGC wants and kill deer?

You guys feverishly defend the PGC on their policys. You defend the antlerless allocations and cite forest health.

I hunt within the law and do what the PGC wants and now I'm the bad guy.

Which way is it?

I say there are too few deer and the PGC needs to drastically make changes. I see a big drop in the deer population where I hunt.

Chances are, if you guys were to hunt along side me and see the deer I see, you'd think things were great. I'm just not happy when I compare how really great it use to be.

Call me and my daughter spoiled. To be totally honest, I'd actually agree. We were spoiled by how good the hunting was compared to now.

I've been to the NC part of the state several times. I even made a post a while back saying my hat is off to you guys that hunt that part of the state. I admitted I would probably give up hunting if that was all I had to hunt.

Maybe things aren't so bad in my area afterall. Maybe I'm just too spoiled because of the way it use to be. Maybe I'm too lazy to hunt hard all day long.

Things are going down hill in PA. Everyone knows it!

When guys like you have to limit where you will take a doe because it will impact the deer population in that area, in a round about way, you are agreeing that there are too few deer.

Glad to see you came over to my side:cool2:

I personally could care less how many deer anyone shoots as long as they have the tags for them.It is a little puxxling that you complain about few deer yet you turn around and kill three.I suppose that's no big deal as long as you aren't killing that many in the same place.Regardless,as long as it's legal,I could care less.

I also have to agree with you about why someone would hunt where they know that there's no deer.That boggles my mind as well.

The hunting isn't bad at all on the public land of the northern tier.It's actually very easy to hunt up here.The secret is to avoid the large areas of worthless habitat.Find areas with food and cover and you'll find deer.The real challenge is learning how to adapt to the changing food sources.A great spot one week and be a total bust the next week because food sources change so rapidly up here.I grew up hunting the agriculture land of Wyoming county and it was way easier to pattern deer.I rarely even hunt agriculture anymore because the challenge of the northern tier is far more satisfying.

Wind,if the landowner wants you to shoot doe then by george you should shoot one.
Dougie,when does it suit you to take that hike?Feb or march?

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Originally Posted by Windwalker7 (Post 3559109)

I dont know that anyone said that they put in a lot of time where does are scarce. If deer numbers are low as they are in a few readily accessible parts of 2B, we leave that area alone. Simple enough. I might continue hunting an area with low doe numbers if I was pursuing a particular buck but other than that, I'd move on.

The bigger point is all about doing what you say you believe in or practicing what you preach. In areas with plenty of deer, I shoot plenty. In areas of poor habitat like we have in parts of 2F, I'll shoot a doe there with no problem because while numbers might be low, they need to be lower. In those parts of 2B where the lextra long season has had an effect, we've backed off. If EHD did as much damage as you claim to one of my favorite spots, I would back off and I'd explain why to the landowner. If his heritage means that much to him he certainly should accept the idea.

If you really believe things are going downhill, why contribute to the decline? It's not about sides. First and foremost it should be about staying true to your convictions.

Btb, you say you support pgc and their plan, yet you arent following it very well.

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"In those parts of 2B where the lextra long season has had an effect, we've backed off."

Pgc does not want you to back off. That "extra long season" is there for a reason. Thats also why the sra units have so many tags. They know access is an issue so want as many deer killed everywhere they can be killed in the urban/suburban unit. They say human conflict is the issue. The goal is still REDUCTION there, not stabilization or herd increase for the entire unit. You point to WW as not practicing what he preaches. But what would you call what you are doing in this instance?

Again, i have no problem what anyone, including you harvests or doesnt harvest.

Its no secret i and some others dont support much of the program, but it seems in your own way, you dont either when it might effect you to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Cornelius08 (Post 3559261)

Btb, you say you support pgc and their plan, yet you arent following it very well.

Pgc does not want you to back off. That "extra long season" is there for a reason. Thats also why the sra units have so many tags. They know access is an issue so want as many deer killed everywhere they can be killed in the urban/suburban unit. They say human conflict is the issue. The goal is still REDUCTION there, not stabilization or herd increase for the entire unit. You point to WW as not practicing what he preaches. But what would you call what you are doing in this instance?

Again, i have no problem what anyone, including you harvests or doesnt harvest.

Its no secret i and some others dont support much of the program, but it seems in your own way, you dont either when it might effect you to some degree.

You'd be correct if you hadn't apparently missed the part where I said that the PGC cant always have the desired effect on all small pockets within a WMU. Thats where personal responsibilty comes in. I dont criticize someone who doesnt know any better but if someone is absolutely convinced that the deer are far too few and yet contiues to kill them off he's at least guilty of hypocrasy. I know it's easier to simply say thats what the PGC wants and make excuses or to simply blame them for a lack of deer. Its a common trap that folks fall into given the nanny state this country has become.

Is the PGC always right? Nope. And I've said so many times. Can they ever be always right? nope again. Affecting me to some degree? Only in that I might need to adapt and move on. Thats no problem because I have plenty of places to hunt only because I've made a concerted effort to be welcomed back anywhere I go.

You've said you wont kill a doe where you hunt. You beleive there are too few. Whether we agree or disagree on the deer numbers, I give you credit for doing wnat you say you believe in.
I'm doing exactly the same thing.