Lanse says: Who said anything about that?? Youre the one who made reference to practicing up for your home area.

Credibilities just fine thanks. Has never been in question and never will be. Your attempt at personal attack doesnt change that fact. All I say is backed in fact, then i gave you links as proof and you still claim "conspiracy theory"?. As for the rest, You dont mean that at all, and i wouldnt care less if you did, because everyone else knows better. Im hardly gonna be your little "insecure victim" lmao. Its an attempt to argue on your part and nothing more. I'll put my intellect as well as topic knowledge against yours any day of the week. Btw, I'll thank you to lay off the PERSONAL ATTACKS and insults. Its clear youre trying to stir the pot again and little else. When things arent going your way, thats what a couple of you do. Every time. Absolutely never fails. May as well quit now because there'll be no 10 page flame/namecalling war. :cool15:

[quote=bluebird2;3555602]Whatever, 50% REDUCTION MEANT A 50% reduction to me.

But you also believe a lot more hunters could kill more deer in 2G if they just hunted like you do,and that means you don't know half as much as you think you know.

More & bigger bucks was supposed to mean more & bigger bucks also though, wasnt it doug?:confused0024:

"amazing how a few continue to cling to the "more and bigger bucks" quote from a guy who left what, 6 years ago now but no one wants to bring back another one that was said every bit as often "less deer means less deer"

Lanse, I dont think we'll see the noise in Illinois get quite like it is here but then we've had a pretty good head start on ya. There's been a small faction railing against killing does for as long as I can remember. The group that brought the lawsuit actually got started way back in the 80's when they claimed that hunters being allowed more than one deer per year would wipe out the herd. Then it was the bonus tags that would be the ruination of our state. Then it was a three day doe season that would end it all. Pa has had a pretty darn good head start with our "dont kill mommy deer" gang.

~The huge majority do not belong to the "dont kill mommy deer gang". Most are well aware a certain number of doe must be taken.

~The huge majority doesnt support the failed deer plan.

~Youre right, the guy was run out of town 6 years ago. The plan is still here. Intact. Just as the good doctor left it. lol

So not really sure what any point in all that might've been. All you need do is read an article in any of the various magazines and see the information pgc is giving to the writers.... Man the hunters in Pa are just swimming it big bucks! lol. The "more and bigger bucks" sentiment is still there at pgc. Not only that, but ALT wasnt the only one to make the statement.:s12:

Quote "May as well quit now because there'll be no 10 page flame/namecalling war.

Won't even make a half page!

Several of you have been contacted by me - so you know I have been watching. I have No hidden agenda at all - but what you are doing is not good for the Hunting Community over all nor the HNI websight.

Keep your Debate healthy.

JW

Without a doubt less deer means less deer and lower harvests. But a few among us think the quality of hunting in PA is better than ever ,even though fewer hunters are successful. I am not sure I understand that reasoning since i prefer that as many hunters as possible be successful.

What is even more disturbing is that we have not seen the predicted improvement in forest regeneration that was the expressed goal of herd reduction. When DCNR states that competing vegetation is now the controlling factor limiting regeneration, it makes one wonder if the deer were in fact the main factor limiting regeneration.

We all want as many hunters to be succesful as possible but part of the problem with that is how each hunter measures success.
I didn't tag a PA buck this year but I had a very successful season. I passed several legal bucks, shot some doe and saw but didn't get a shot at a few mature bucks. It was a great season IMHO.

We've also had hunters here either say or imply that a buck kill is the only acceptable measure of success. When we see a member proudly post a photo of a very young hunter with his first buck and happily tell us the story of his part in helping that young hunter in his hunt only to have another member say essentially "Thats nice but did you get yours? I did. " kinda tells us that everyones measure of "success" is quite different.

Last year, I told of a very enjoyable early muzzy hunt where several of us saw dozens of deer and had several shot opportunities but foliage prevented us from being sure the deer werent bucks. No one in the gang took a shot or killed a deer but it was a great time. I closed my post with something like "all in all a great hunt" One response I got here was: "so what do you consider a bad hunt, one where you get hit by lightning?"

All that just shows that "success" is in the eyes of the beholder and I think a few folks need new glasses.

yes, dcnr has list of things they want cut out of woods, if employee sees it, they cut it.
sadly most of those plants are great GROUSE,TURKEY,RABBIT,BIRD food.employees said to sproul, SPROUL THEY TOLD US TO CUT DOWN YOUR GROUSE FOOD PLANTS WHEN WE SEE THEM.:jaw:

can you believe this. these plants also feed birds and rabbits eat bark on them.turkey love those berries and those berries are there all winter too...........
are things getting better,i cant see it...........