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in regards to heading out on saturday...i saw three doe on state college public land, then walked out around 12...no buck with the rifle this year...but late archery will be here before you know it...it was an awesome morning and saw two separate flocks of turkey which was cool
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Originally Posted by ManySpurs
(Post 3529046)
I work hard at it to, and I'm one of the biggest beechers and critics around. If I showed you the track logs from my GPS of some of the places I've been since August while scouting, bowhunting, turkey hunting, bear hunting, and firearms deer hunting it'd make your head spin. I've been in good habitat, bad habitat, mediocre habitat, areas that produced well in the past, areas that haven't produced in the past. You name it, I've been closeby. I spent 3 days in a DMAP area in several locations recommended by a DCNR employee in October covering many miles with snow on the ground only to cut the tracks of 3 deer. In our little village, we have 2 big cornfields nestled between SGLs on each side with not a deer track near them. I have 4 deer cams running all year around and my pictures show me one or two deer using a trail every 4-5 days. We have a bear population explosion which has been addressed by WCOs and residents alike, and our BOCs and bear biologist completely ignore the problem and continue to establish a 3 day season which falls at a time when many female bears are already denned up.
I got alot to beech about. And it ain't just me. Hunters up here were close to non-existent this year. Those guys spend money and I'm sure the merchants noticed the lack of business. The camp next door to me had 3 guys in this year where they usually have 15. They were all here for turkey and bear season, but decided not to come up for deer because of what they seen during turkey and bear seasons. It's just a matter of time before those guys that didn't come up decide to throw in the towel and stop buying licenses. In my household, we've decided that unless the PGC choses to address the current deer situation at this years January meeting, that we will no longer buy and use a Pa hunting license. That's 2 adult licenses, 2 junior licenses, 4 bear tags, 4 archery tags, 4 M/Ler tags, at least 8 doe tags, and a furtakers license. Now, how many more people are there out there that feel the same as I do and feel the same as the guys at the camp next door do? I bet there's plenty. And if in fact there are only 20% that are unhappy, if those 20% stop purchasing tags, then the PGC is in for a dramatic drop in revenue. When that happens, open the door for state funding. And according everyone that I talk to, that's going to be a very bad thing for hunters in Pa. The fact that this commonwealth is hemmoraging hunters at twice the rate of the rest of the country is very alarming. I think it's high time that guys like you stand back and take a better look at the big picture and start standing up for some of us guys that do hunt our a$$es off, do know what we are looking for as far as habitat goes, and don't expect a deer behind every tree. There's plenty of us out there that have our crap together and have experienced this idiotic overharvest and mismanagement first hand. All we are asking for is a slight slice of the pie. I beleive you when you say you put in the time and know how to hunt. Obviously when folks that appear to be reasonable get as riled up as some of you are, there's got to be something there and I'm acknowledging that. On the other hand, I'll ask you to put yourself in the shoes of guys like me just as I'm trying to do for you. I have no affiliation with the timber industry, PGC, audubon or anyone else like that. I'm just a hunter like you. Believe me when I say that virtually all the places I've seen far less deer are the places that really needed it. Believe me when I say that the guys I hear complaining in person are the casual one day a year type of hunter. Add to that the folks on here who will say or do just about anything to make their case. Anything like using numbers and stats out of context to make 2 plus 2 equal 5. Like fixing polls and making ridiculous assertions while shouting down anyone who disagrees. Like a guy who lives in a very high density WMU crying the loudest about no deer and then screaming liar when someoen tells of having consistent success in that region. It's hard to believe that a guy who claims there is no need to scout any more is really that serious about his deer hunting. Obviously, I'm not talking about you, Germain, Pike and some others but the constant barrage of screaming tirades, complicated convoluted statistical flim flams and gross exaggerations from the more radical posters does kind of jade us into dismissing that side of the story. You ask that guys like us stand up and support you. Hey I got no problem with that. I happen to agree with the idea of smaller WMU's. I agree with a better seperation of antlerless permits between public and private ground. I stand on some form of letting immature bucks have a better chance to get a little older and I think limited AR is the lesser of evils in that regard. I dont understand the valuing of an immature buck over a doe but perhaps we can agree to disagree there. I also adamantly believe that the strangling of the PGC purse strings by some hunters is the biggest mistake of all. While some yell "no more money till the deer thing is fixed" they are playing right into the hands of the forces they claim already have too much influence. Trust me, the minute we take a one little suck on the outside money teat, the game is really over when it comes to meaningful hunter influence. If we dont pony up and soon, we'll lose even more footing and it will be permanent!!! There's more common ground between us than would first appear and I got no problem listening to guys like you. We wont always agree but I'll always at least listen. |
"OK MS you've given me a lot to think about and a lot to answer. It's out of respect for guys like you and Germain, Pike and a few others on here that I dont just dismiss what you've posted."
And its out of respect for Doug, Jim and a few others that I dont just dismiss what you post. " On the other hand, I'll ask you to put yourself in the shoes of guys like me just as I'm trying to do for you. I have no affiliation with the timber industry, PGC, audubon or anyone else like that. I'm just a hunter like you. Believe me when I say that virtually all the places I've seen far less deer are the places that really needed it. " Therein lies one of the problems. Who said it was really needed there? Let me guess, Pgc said so? Thats nothing more than your willingness to believe that which many of us do not. " Anything like using numbers and stats out of context to make 2 plus 2 equal 5." You are the only one Ive seen TRY do that on this board, unsuccessfully since some of us actually are familiar with whats going on and catch any attempts at deceit and manipulating data. Seen one other try it at times, but wont draw him in, as he hasnt been around to defend. Otherwise the data is so simple when shown, it actually speaks for itself. " Like fixing polls " Gee at least you are honest in this case about yourself fixing polls, if i were you Id want people to forget about that. That wasnt a high point for you on this board. Then again neither was you getting caught voting multiple times with multiple ids. Funny thing, none of those polls came out the way you wanted even with your "extra efforts". If you are gonna try and pin that on ME as you did previously because it was me that busted you, save your breath. My word is golden and My integrity flawless, and every single member thats been here longer than a day knows it. I may be alot of things, but I absolutely HATE a liar & a cheat, nothing lower....and my character is absolutely untouchable to someone of your calibre. And thats a fact. "Like a guy who lives in a very high density WMU crying the loudest about no deer and then screaming liar when someoen tells of having consistent success in that region." 1st its not a "high density wmu". I know of none in Pa that are. Perhaps some localized areas within wmus...but i wouldnt know. As for high density wmus, I know some that were, but theyve declined greatly and are continuing to (guess we should all just shut up and support it like you who hunt a lease and buy your buck). As for anyone inappropriately calling you a liar. Never happened. Ever. I said you lied only when you lied. And that has been VERY often. Including the instance of the story you are speaking of. You told it more ways than i can count, couldnt even remember the lies as you told them. You are also lying in the fact the one year success is not "consistently" lmao. In fact if you wanna get technical you can add your last statement to that tally of mistruths. "I also adamantly believe that the strangling of the PGC purse strings by some hunters is the biggest mistake of all." No, lets not prevent a fee increase, lets pay them triple to slit our throats says the man who hunts the whole season elsewhere. lmao. "We wont always agree but I'll always at least listen. " How about when you "listen" you dont use your delusional attacks and try unsuccessfully to lie and throw everyone else under the bus. I made no comments and have treated you with far more respect than you deserve, yet that didnt stop you from your completely unwarranted emotional outbursts. Same ol' same ol. :s3: ...>BTW, Only "clout" we have is that fee increase not being granted, and only way we will EVER be listened to. Words to live by in Pennsylvania. NO DEER = NO MONEY. Increases in our hunting fees shouldnt be a decision for the tiny minority of pgc yes-men + audubon types to make. |
I dont understand the valuing of an immature buck over a doe but perhaps we can agree to disagree there. The one type of hunter I have zero use for and criticize openly is the neanderthal buffoon who somehow places more value on a spike or a y than on an adult doe. It's a warped mentality that has no place among hunters and one that you seem to subscribe to |
I think what btb would like, would be for his little area to become "little illinois" so that he could save the long round trip every year. Unfortunately its not gonna happen. If his little nook hasnt taken the leap by now its not gonna, hes still running off elsewhere for most of the season spening very minimal time here, killed didly squat in the way of bucks, then tells us how great things are and that we are all full of it.... and the herd, sooner or later in his little nook will experience decline. Just a matter of time, just as it has to some degree pretty much everywhere else inthe state. And the sooner the better to be slapped in the face with the cold hand of reality.
I think his particular section of the sra wmu 2b would be a fine area to try out that new contraception that pgc is so high on, since those guys are unable to get the herd down there. lmao. |
No, we can't agree to disagree because you continue to insult and belittle hundreds of thousands of PA deer hunters. You value the buck you harvest based on how they will look as decorations on your wall, while the majority of PA hunters accept the fact that we are not a trophy buck state and appreciate harvesting any PA buck. Those dedicated rack hunters let small buck pass before ARs were implemented and let those that were satisfied with smaller buck without criticism, but you aren't man enough to do the same. Instead you have this to say about your fellow PA hunters. BTW, I've been passing small bucks since the mid nineties. Well before 2002 and have posted that fact more than once but I know you cant be bothered with the real facts when they dont fit into what you have to say. I apologized to Manyspurs for the neanderthall buffoon thing but you are one of those few who helped earned that characterization and it still fits you. My only regret is that I was non specific when using it the first time. |
I apologized to Manyspurs for the neanderthall buffoon thing but you are one of those few who helped earned that characterization and it still fits you. My only regret is that I was non specific when using it the first time. The one type of hunter I have zero use for and criticize openly is the neanderthal buffoon who somehow places more value on a spike or a y than on an adult doe. It's a warped mentality that has no place among hunters and one that you seem to subscribe to |
You have a pm bluebird.
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I think what btb would like, would be for his little area to become "little illinois" so that he could save the long round trip every year. Unfortunately its not gonna happen. If his little nook hasnt taken the leap by now its not gonna, hes still running off elsewhere for most of the season spening very minimal time here, killed didly squat in the way of bucks, then tells us how great things are and that we are all full of it.... and the herd, sooner or later in his little nook will experience decline. Just a matter of time, just as it has to some degree pretty much everywhere else inthe state. And the sooner the better to be slapped in the face with the cold hand of reality. I think his particular section of the sra wmu 2b would be a fine area to try out that new contraception that pgc is so high on, since those guys are unable to get the herd down there. lmao. Pa will never be a little Illinois and I've never said it should or could be. Yep, I spend several weeks out there each year during the rut simply because I CAN!;). Any hunter who's truthful with himself would do the same. It took some considerable effort to get into the situation I have and I got no problem reaping the rewards for my efforts. I come back here and manage to find the bucks in the late season as often as not. (5 120-130 PA bucks in the last 10 years, the oldest was 5 1/2 ) I would, however, rather take another doe than a small buck because my area supports that kind of game plan. I also can respect those guys who feel the need to let does pass in their hunting area if they feel the doe population is too low. |
Originally Posted by bluebird2
(Post 3529794)
So you still feel good about insulting my wife , my sister ,my sister -in-law and thousands of other PA hunters. you truly are a pathetic loser..
Nope, dont know those folks. But I am talkin about YOU there sport! |
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