If your post was directed at me, slobs don't hunt harder, they look for the easy kill. I left three doe walk again this afternoon, slobs would have killed all three. I seen deer every day this rifle season, because the years before I didn't buy every tag I could get my hands on and kill every deer I saw, slobs do. So save that self centered selfish individual tag for some one who deserves it.

Here, its like 3 inches on ONE SIDE. Thats crazy, too many people are taking a really small buck, and that means you really need to have a lot of area for deer to hide for deer to grow to a mature stature. If it's a first deer, any buck is a trophy, but much beyond that, you gotta pick and chose. In my opinion, the AR should be it has to have 2 points on one side, not counting a brow tine. That would improve the overall quality of deer in the DMP's in NY, and they could do that in PA, too. DMP is good, but it's nowhere near strict enought, as it pertains to this. Take it as you may.
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You're not supposed to be doing any of that stuff anyway. Antler restriction doesn't suddenly bump people's IQs up. The idiots that did that then are probably still doing it now.

Spurs - I realize that big racked buck are shot every year. A no I don't have any charts or data to back up the statement I made. Just my own observations. There may not be as many buck being harvested but for the most part the racks are definately bigger than pre AR. (obviously).
Over the past two years, I've seen more 6, 8 and 10 pt bucks 'on the hoof' than I've ever seen. And in these 2 years I've taken my 2 biggest buck and on public land. So yeah, I'm one of the satisfied hunters. I do agree with your observation on the forest habitat. I've noticed the same thing in Clinton Co. No young growth only mature timber rotting away due to poor forest management.

"Yeah that made some slow down and look. But there is still quite a few that still throw the lead first,look later. A lot of slobs and greed in the deer woods"

Thats exactly why its irresponsible for pgc to throw a bazillion tags at them, have huge wmus and say there you go....Have at 'er boys.

They are still doing it because they just don't care. Filling that tag trumps everything else.

So ,are you saying you don't agree with the PGC claim that we needed to shoot more doe? Remember , a lot of hunters believe the PGC propaganda and feel good about shooting every doe they see.

I hunted two and a half days in 5C and never had a shot at a doe in a WMU where they issued 113K doe tags!!!! Also, didn't have a shot at a doe during archery!!!