Yea, and the ones that break game laws don't necessarily have to come from any of those groups I mentioned.

I agree that I may have picked on you a little out of context and perhaps my comments should have been directed more at others who are particapating on this thread. My fault for not paying attention to who was saying what but, I do have a clue as to what was being said. My reading comprehension is just fine and I did read the entire thread. I know what has been discusssed and these forums are for each of us to express our own, "two cents". If you don't like mine, thats tough because I am going to express it. Get over it.

pats,most dont feel they are doing a bad thing .they have kid with big sad eyes looking up wanting a buck or watch as they leave a buck go counting points and it goes to a new jersey hunter and he gets it.that happened to a few buck this year from crews i know as of yesterday.
soooooooooooooooo,they shoot and do the things i have stated.if it was 3 points to side for all of us ,i would bet that it would put a real good stop to most of this.

That might have something to do with the entitlement mentality some hunters have. They feel they are owed a deer.

yes.you should see the eyes light up of my neighbor who shot a FAWN.he has been hunting for 60 years and has to FILL THE FREEZER .as long as he gets his licenses filled he is happy.

we are lucky that he is in the minority,i believe there are many good sportsman still around.i see a lot on here.

I hope you are right and these people are in the minority,but I seen a lot of stunts over the years guys tried to pull off which would lead me to think otherwise.

You are right sproul, there are a lot of good sportsman around. But it was the greedy ones that made me quit rifle hunting a long time ago. And from what I have seen,especially the past 5 or so years. Looks like maybe the greed is taking over?

What did the, "greedy ones" do to you a long time ago that caused you to quit hunting with the rifle?

First I lost all desire to shoot a deer with a rifle. So with that,that's when I built my first flintlock and used it in gun season. Opening day,I hit a buck, it stumbles but gets up and slowly goes over a crest. I follow the blood trail right to the deer,with two other hunters already at the deer and one of them already fieldressing the deer. Funny,no other shot fired! Following year was even better. Shoot a buck with the flintlock, the buck is just pushing itself along with it's hind legs. I'm staying eight feet behind this deer as it's crawling while trying to reload. A greedy slob!,comes running off the hill and empties his clip from his pump rifle into a crawling deer with me eight feet behind it. Then he started screaming,"the deer was still on it's feet", "I'm the last to shoot", "by law it's my deer." Prior to that,I've witnessed other acts of greed. Similar to those shared by pats and sproul. Those last two years in the woods rifle season was the so called,icing on the cake as to why I quit. That was 30 years ago and truthfully, I haven't looked back since.Don't miss it at all.

This same guy I was talking about crippled a doe once, the norm for him , tracked it to where it died behind someones house. This slob was to lazy to drag it somewere away from the house so he gutted and left the gut pile where the home owner could see it from his back window. He got turned in for that one. Whitetailed deer brings out the worst in some people.

Wow Greg! We've probably all run into a few of those guys over the years but your story has gotta be in the top ten of all time slobbery.

No doubt that the sheer numbers of hunters out there in gun season makes it far more likely then but it happens in all seasons. few years back I arrowed a doe in late season and the shot was a little far back so we decided to wait a couple hours before taking up the trail. As it turned out the hit was quickly fatal (about 200 yards) but when we found the deer it was already tagged and gutted with a guy sitting in his treestand about 60 yards away. The evidence in the snow was clear that he saw it fall, got down, put a superficial arrow in it's neck from a few feet while it laid there. Of course there was little my buddy and I could do and rather than start a useless fight we simply walked away shaking our heads. The good news is that the slob eventually wore out his welcome with that landowner. Thanks to the slob being a slob and a good word from her neighbor on our behalf, my buddy and I are now the only two that she allows on that property.

It's a shame, but true. I think it brings out the best in some, worst out of others.

Very true. Back in the early 80s A complete and total stranger helped me retrieve a six point out of a bad area. The guy really worked his butt off helping me get this thing out. Just came by and offered his help. after we were done he congratulated me and went on his way.

Had a similar thing happen to my Mom when I was about 18....she shot a doe on SF land and it was DOWN not even moving, and before we could get to it, some jerk runs over and pumps three rounds into it, then gets ready to tag it. I "talked him" out of it....but by then, my mother was so upset she didn't even want it, not to mention the idiot gut shot it, her one shot was through the heart. We ended up letting the scumbag take what was left of that deer...but it was the last time we could ever get her to hunt on the mountain again. I've never forgotten that act of greed and stupidity.

Your back! How did you and your youngens do so far?

Bob,I know all seasons have their greedy slobs,small and big game. Bow,rifle and flintlock. But I still can't get over it. What some (and I won't and can't use the title hunters here ) slobs will do for a deer. Just like yesterday. I like to go ride around to see how many guys are out and where. This is so called another part of my scouting. To see what area's are getting hammered or not. Anyway,I'm parked near a open gas line. 170 feet down the road is a house. A truck passes me,ten feet from the driveway to the house they stop. I hear bang! I see deer now coming back towards the gas line running a small creek bottom. I hear a door shut and the truck drive away.I walk up the road and a guy is dragging a deer he shot right a the edge of the home owners lawn down into the creek bottom. Supposedly to field dress it and hopefully tag it. So I crossed the other side of the road and waited for the truck to come back to get a license number. Which I did and called it in. But again, I'm just dumb founded as to why some of these stunts are pulled just for the sake of killing a deer. Do they need the meat that bad? Is it so important to show their buddies they can kill a deer?
After seeing it for years, I just can't understand why!

The only thing could I say to the guy after my experience. Hope you enjoy ground meat,because your going to have lots of it. Ah,by the way. Be careful of those small bone fragments in the meat,you might choke to death!

Slobs like the easy kill. We had a slob shot a deer in a farmers pasture where his cows were, he got in trouble for that. Another slob shot a bear in someones front lawn, he got in big trouble for that. both these slobs were road hunting.

Yep, I'm back Greg. Got back late last night. Me and the youngens saw some but no one took a shot. That cold rain went right through me and the old ticker acted up a bit so I didnt hang long at all on Monday. Both boys saw deer but none they could clearly identify as either legal bucks or antlerless so no shots. My uncle came up from Oklahoma and missed a decent buck clean. My buddy with the dead leg that cant walk far shot a small nine pointer. I was really happy for him because his leg is nerve dead from the thigh down and he really struggles just to get out of sight of the truck.

Then we traveled west to illinois only to have the slowest 4 days of hunting I've ever seen on my place out there. My nephew did choose to pass on a 125/130 buck on friday and another buddy from let a very impressive 8 pointer walk because his G-3 was broke off. It was the one I posted trailcams of that had a spread approaching 22-24 inches but he's still a young deer. My hat's off to both of them for showing restraint that will surely reward them one day in the future!

I don't doubt your story is true but, I can say that I have never, ever experienced anything remotely like this. Nor have I ever experienced anything like pats and sproul are talking about and I have been hunting for quite a few years. I doubt that it is as wide spread of a problem as what you believe it is. It sounds like you must be hunting in areas with a high amount of hunting pressure and I am sure that makes a difference.

Yeah I hunt in area's with high hunting pressure. What difference should that make? As for someone claiming your deer,that can happen anywhere. As for the other antics, you would think they would go on in less populated area's. Never claimed how wide spread the greed is, or at what severity. All I ever claimed,there is greed in the deer woods. You asked why I quit rifle hunting and I replied. I stated the satisfaction of harvesting a deer with a rifle was gone prior to that experience. The greed of others was the final strike. Others have stated similar experiences. You haven't. Good for you and I hope you never do. It just boggles me what some one would do for a deer.
Trophy buck or doe, it's just a deer!