If your post was directed at me, slobs don't hunt harder, they look for the easy kill. I left three doe walk again this afternoon, slobs would have killed all three. I seen deer every day this rifle season, because the years before I didn't buy every tag I could get my hands on and kill every deer I saw, slobs do. So save that self centered selfish individual tag for some one who deserves it.

Here, its like 3 inches on ONE SIDE. Thats crazy, too many people are taking a really small buck, and that means you really need to have a lot of area for deer to hide for deer to grow to a mature stature. If it's a first deer, any buck is a trophy, but much beyond that, you gotta pick and chose. In my opinion, the AR should be it has to have 2 points on one side, not counting a brow tine. That would improve the overall quality of deer in the DMP's in NY, and they could do that in PA, too. DMP is good, but it's nowhere near strict enought, as it pertains to this. Take it as you may.
BigBuck95 :cool15:

You're not supposed to be doing any of that stuff anyway. Antler restriction doesn't suddenly bump people's IQs up. The idiots that did that then are probably still doing it now.

Spurs - I realize that big racked buck are shot every year. A no I don't have any charts or data to back up the statement I made. Just my own observations. There may not be as many buck being harvested but for the most part the racks are definately bigger than pre AR. (obviously).
Over the past two years, I've seen more 6, 8 and 10 pt bucks 'on the hoof' than I've ever seen. And in these 2 years I've taken my 2 biggest buck and on public land. So yeah, I'm one of the satisfied hunters. I do agree with your observation on the forest habitat. I've noticed the same thing in Clinton Co. No young growth only mature timber rotting away due to poor forest management.

"Yeah that made some slow down and look. But there is still quite a few that still throw the lead first,look later. A lot of slobs and greed in the deer woods"

Thats exactly why its irresponsible for pgc to throw a bazillion tags at them, have huge wmus and say there you go....Have at 'er boys.

They are still doing it because they just don't care. Filling that tag trumps everything else.

So ,are you saying you don't agree with the PGC claim that we needed to shoot more doe? Remember , a lot of hunters believe the PGC propaganda and feel good about shooting every doe they see.

I hunted two and a half days in 5C and never had a shot at a doe in a WMU where they issued 113K doe tags!!!! Also, didn't have a shot at a doe during archery!!!

Now don't be such a self centered, selfish individual. Thats the future of Pa. hunting you are talking about. :eek2:

Most if not all the hunters I know of who feel good about killing every doe they see don't read PGC propaganda, They don't even know what PGC stands for. All they want to know is how many tags they can get. As for 5C or any WMU, I always thought you can't manage the herd properly with such large WMUs. But I'am no expert.

I agree there are many hunters who only want to know how many tags they can get, but there are also those like DougE that support the PGC plan who thinks he is doing Gods work by killing all those doe.

I agree that if the PGC was really interested in managing the herd for hunting, smaller WMUs would be better. But ,since they are managing the herd for the timber industry , it doesn't matter how big the WMUs might be when they are issuing more tags than they did when we had 1.6M deer, compared to the around 900K deer we have now.

your view is what we agree with also.too many doe were killed off in clinton county,pa.we like AR but would like to see only kid at age 12 allowed to shoot a spike buck or buck without 3 point on side. after that 3 points to side.just to many adults shooting at ANY buck as long as kid 12/16 has tag.

also we would like to see 1 DEER AND YOUR DONE.
go back to 2 weeks of buck and 3 days of doe with county only system not the WMU2G thing .

also doe tags are just to cheap.they should be raised to at least 20 dollars.i spend that much on candy bars each month alone.

People with multiple tags popping multiple deer at one time, instead of harvesting one deer, field dressing and removing it. Then go back and hunt for more. Its easy to bash the Game Commision about no deer when a lot of the problems lie with hunters who won't follow the rules.

The landowner who lets me hunt there threw a guy off who hunted there for years because of shooting at more than one deer. First he shot at a deer in a safty zone, crippled it , it ran and lied down. He spotted more deer and started shooting not realizing there were houses in that direction. After he realized what he did he did he wanted to get out of there but the land owner hollered he had a wounded deer in here. Then he came for the deer with out his rifle and the deer took off. he never recovered the deer. If this fine Pa. hunter never kills another deer in his life I would be happy. If that makes me selfish and self centered than so be it.

It was real quite in 1B yesterday, very little shooting, even the doe slayers were finding the going tough.
I'm thinking we might have reached the point of stable deer numbers, I say that because we don't have enough hunters that are willing to kill what doe remain.
You would never believe it was the first Saturday of the firearms season.:s8:

But who was responsible for making that legal? The PGC ,of course. They were willing to do almost anything to get as many doe killed as possible as soon as possible. Now, in many areas its hard to find one adult doe!!

It was my experience here in 2D that Sat. was equal to, or quite possibly better than the first day. I realize that doe were permitted to be taken on Sat. here for the first this season, but when I ran my deer to the butcher's, there were more bucks there than I would have imagined. I realize the morning snow was of some help, but all in all I was kind of surprised at how many nice-sized bucks were there. The hunters were spotty....some places showed no sign of being hunted, while other places must have had standing room only. Guess word of mouth ...... I'd been seeing deer regularly all the past week, just couldn't put big enough horns on them. Plenty of doe here, too. You don't exactly have to kick them out of your way to get into the woods, but enough moving to keep your interest up. Will be back out again this coming week..............

141.41 genral hunting regs. It is unlawfull to harvest more than one deer at a time before lawfuly tagging a deer previously harvasted when multiple harvest of deer per day are authorized. Except as otherwise provided in 141.1 {special reg areas}. So except in special areas, popping multiple deer at one time is unlawful.

Lot's of greed in those deer woods!

That's what I always wish on the deer slobs. Guess I'm selfish and self centered too!

IT'S NOT LEGAL! Lot's of greed in the deer woods!

But you included this in your post.
The regs say nothing about field dressing and removing them, they just have to be tagged.

I don't know if you are selfish and self centered or not but, you are NOT coming across in a positive manner right now. In fact your coming across a bit repulsive. It's not so much what you say. It's all in your attitude.

It doesn't matter what I have in my post. shooting multiple deer at a time is illegal. You have to kill one, lawfully tag it then go after the others if they are still there. If not the hunt is on again. Big difference from laying out three deer then tagging them.

i saw friends carrying rifle even tho they got their buck already in crews.everyone is carrying radio now.you shoot at ANY buck,call on radio and have kids tag put on it if NEEDED or you have one in your pocket for back-up..IT may be a buck with 3 points.so kid tags are not needed at times.

thing is most of this is being done by CREWS driving.they have big advantage over us that go by rules and still hunt. i was member of biggest and oldest crews in my area so i guess i know a little of what is happeningthey see HORNS and just shoot because BUCK IS RUNNING.they dont have to worry about if it had 3 points.most tell me THEY DONT LOOK FOR 3 POINTS.

this is why i say it should be 3 point rule after your first year hunting.at least that would slow down what is happening as it could not be done from age 12/16.thats 5 years that this can done with just 1 kid tag.along comes more and add on another 5 years.
i agree, i wish hunters would go by rules and let a kid shoot their own buck but that is asking too much from most that i know that hunt hard in crews and dont want to lose a buck for counting points.
i got surprise for us, MOST if not all are pillars of your community.these are not SLOBS that are doing it they are your neighbor and possibly your best friends or well respected in your town or leaders in sportsmans clubs or other organizations.

i like the AR but until this way of getting around rule is looked at i feel that most that go by rules will be losers.......

People want to blame the game commission for all the problems when sometimes all we need to do is look in the mirror and see part of the problem.

It most certainly does matter. If a hunter had to clean it and remove it he would be less likely to drop a second deer without tagging the first. But, since a hunter only has to tag the deer it would almost be impossible for a WCO to catch this violation unless he watched the hunter fire the shots.

Its not legal.

I guess it depends on how you define "at the same time". Does it mean from the same stand on the same deer or does it mean shooting two deer before you tag one. Or does it mean shooting two deer before you tagged, gutted and removed the first deer as you implied.

No I don't have any use for greedy slobs, but I don't see where we gain anything by labeling hunters with multiple tags who harvest more than one doe /day as greedy, whether the doe are shot 5 minutes apart. 5 hours apart or 5 days apart. With the reduced deer herd I doubt very much that the number of doe that are harvested before tagging the first doe has any impact on future hunting.

The last time we had so few deer in the state I believe ( not sure)hunters were allowed one deer/hunter /years. Now every hunter is able to harvest a buck and as many antlerless deer as he has permits. That's the real problem and I don't see any solution accept for enough hunters quitting so that the PGC loses the ability to control the herd and that is a terrible solution.

Did you work for Bill Clinton?

By dealing with the tagging process on the deer you just harvested should give the remaining deer enough time to identify the threat and flee to safety. If they decide to hang around and wait for you fill out your tag and attach it to the deers ear, then thats their problem.

And I have a different opinion about the significance of what you are discussing.

All hunters that hunt with a rifle, all hunters that shoot does, all hunters that particapate on organized deer drives, and all hunters that hunt from a camp or group are NOT greedy slobs as you seem to imply.

No they are not. But the ones who knowingly break game laws to fill their tags are.