Crossbow Season Update from PGC Meeting Today
 

Crossbow season is going to be as printed in the Hunting and Trapping Digest!! In the meeting today the PGC voted not to restrict crossbow use in archery season or bear season. You can read more about it by logging onto the PGC website and checking out #093-09. Finally we have a definite answer to the mess!!

Oh heck, this is a terrible beggining to a great archery sport for the State of PA. Glad for the outcome, hate the venom and anger that has resulted from the BOC testicular inefficiencies, scare tactics, false information and sportsman against sportsman rhetoric. As long as we concewntrate on each other we will not be able to keep an eye on them! Safe hunting all!

kool.........................................

What a shame. 6 full weeks of a season with a superior weapon with no regard whatsoever for the herd. I'm truly ashamed to be a Pennsylvania hunter.

Killem all and you will have big bucks, RIGHT

No need to be ashamed FiveMiler. 90% of the PA hunters who voiced an opinion were against this travesty. This isn't about the PA hunter. It's not even about the weapon It's about a lame duck group of commissioners led by a guy who sells crossbows giving a farewell F U to the hunters of this state.

The BOC said the same thing to PA hunters when they agreed to reduce the herd by 50% for the benefit of DCNR and the timber industry.

EXACTLY bluebird. Some of us have been saying these people couldnt care less about hunters and hunting for years. Theyve proven it over and over again. Course some only see it after theyve been PERSONALLY slapped in the face by them.

I don't bowhunt. But I know alot of guys at work that do. Not a single one of them supported the crossbow. I myself, I'm just about ready to throw in the towel here in Pa.

I am curious. Where does this statistic come from?

And some just stay in denial and cant keep their personal failures out of every thread on here.

Is the individual hunter responsible for the fact that the buck harvest dropped from 203k in 2001 to 122K in 2008 or is the PGC responsible for that decrease?

I know several people who ran to the doctor claiming they had bad shoulders when they found out you could use one if you had a disability. It only took one season for them to find out it did not give them any advantage over a good compound bow. Now their crossbows hang in the garage collecting dust. I still think it is going to be a passing fad and the only ones who are going to benefit are the ones selling them.

Cry Cry Cry the Xbow is no better then the bow.I hunt with a Xbow and hate it i can not hit a deer with it.Boy i wish i could use a compound again.I missed the last 6 that i shot at with the Xbow.So stop crying about the Xbow and just be glad you can hunt with a compound

Im a hunter from ohio that hunts in PA as well. I'm 19 years old but have a shoulder problem that will eventually need surgery. somedays I can pull my 70 # compound, but some days I cant. So I got a crossbow and I'll tell you honestly, I can stack arrows on top of each other with my compound. and with a $350 Xbow I dont get anywhere close to that accuracy. There is really no range advantage either.

People will buy these crossbows, not practice and than go out and miss or wound deer. and in a year or two will realize that there is no advantage. The only way I see it affecting bow season is that their will be a few more hunters out there. But only ones that are dedicated because shooting a crossbow does take practice, just like a normal bow.
-Jake

Exactly, then hang them up or sell them. Either way I don't see the herds getting wiped out by the crossbow anytime soon.

Anybody care to respond?

they won't maverick because it is 90% of some number of hunters on some UBP poll that responded. It sone of those bogus numbers they love to flaunt at everyone. It is the Obama/Democrat tactic. False hoods!

That number came from a commissioner at the Jan meeting.He claimed 90% of the correspondence he recieved was against full inclusion.that doesn't mean 90% of bowhunters or hunters for that matter were against full inclusion.It means 90% of the people that bothered to contact him were against it.Me personally,I'm against full inclusion 100% but I won't lose any sleep over it.Anterless allocations control the antlerless harvest and with the decrease in bowhunters over the past decade,I don't see any or not much impact.

"And some just stay in denial and cant keep their personal failures out of every thread on here."

Not sure if you were referring to bb or I, but I guess it doesnt really matter. It was a personal jab made out of clear frustration by you at the antics of the Pa Greed Commission. Now you know how many hundreds of thousands have felt toward the likes of "Dr." Alt, Pallone, Schleiden and the whole rest of the den of skunks, including some of the new recruits.

YOU brought up the issue of pgc NOT LISTENING to hunters. You yourself said for you it wasnt the crossbow as the main issue but the not taking hunters into consideration. Therefore bb simply pointed out the obvious. Didnt take a &^%$# genius to figure that out after the last decade. Instead of attacking fellow hunters you should put some of that venom where it belongs and shouldve been all along instead of attacking fellow hunters for stating the obvious and fighting against a VERY hunter nonfriendly econut commission.

You put a crossbow in the hands of a good bowhunter, and his success rate is going to improve damatically simply because he no longer has to draw the bow and instead will be slipping the safety off, pointing the weapon and squeezing off the trigger. And that is where the biggest statistic will come from, the number of compounders switching over to a crossbow.

Wrong sport! Check your facts. It's from a direct quote from the BOC minutes during discussion. It was taken directly from the correspondence by hunters.

No poll, no pro or anti xbow group. This 90% was fron the responses as admitted t bye BOC members before the vote.

How many people wrote in for this 90%?
Now there are over 900k in hunters out there, and I am sure that the little group who complained could not over whelm the ones who could care less one way or another if Xbows was allowed by not writting in to voice their opinion. So the majority of the hunters was for the Xbow or didn't care one way or another if Xbows was introduced.
I would say all the gun hunters would approve crossbows because they could care less.
So I can honestly say that the majority of hunters wanted the Xbow. If they didn't, they would of voiced their opinions and your write ins would of been alot higher. Again,what is the number of people that made it the 90%? Maybe 100 people?

How many wrote in? Every single one who cared enough to have his voice heard. The number was in the thousands. Did you write or call? It doesnt matter what you think the opinion of others would have been. The opinion of those who cared was 90% against and 10% for. Dance around the facts all you like. The fact is that 90% were against.

Wrong again. I'm a gun hunter and I care alot. The more they dumb down the archery season, the more bucks that will be harvested. The more bucks harvested in October and November, means less bucks in the firearm season.

I care alot and I wrote. Unfortunately, there were 4 morons that threw common sense by the wayside and voted with wreckless abandon.

Honestly...is anyone else just plain tired of hearing about it by now? "Hey...I'll be original and start another let's birch about the crossbows thread. Then everyone can repeat what they've already said ten times previously on the subject." The BOC voted it in. It is here now, like it or not. And I don't like it. But I'm tired of everyone beating the dead horse already. I alreadydespised the BOC long before the xbow issue, for unwarranted statewide blanket HR, for talking out both sides of their mouth, for believing they deserve a license increase while their aproval rating is in the toilet, for holding hands with the enemies of hunting, and so on and so on. Did anyone really expect them to something right. I think I'm done reading those topics for a while. It'd be different if the pGC gave two bits waht any of us think anymore. I say we all boycott all licenses for two years. Obviously the butt kissers would still buy them, but that would amount to like 3% of the usual revenue. Put our money where our mouth is . I would do it if it looked like enough would join me. Until we are ready to puirsue DRASTIC measures we will see no change. Btw, this goes for our dear special friends in Washington, too. It's about time to show them we're done putting up with the crap.:s6:

Haven't purchased my license yet. I'm game. Anybody else in?

I wonder if you take the same perspective when we are talking about the disapproval rating of the game commission because of herd reduction?

Good point Steel! There is nothing left to argue at this point. The crossbow issue is now done with. It has become a wait and see what happens.





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I'm not happy about crossbows but I won't lose any sleep over it.Im also pretty much sick of arguing about it so I'll mostly just ignore those discussions.I'm more than happy with the deer hunting prospects on public land in 2G.I bought my lisence back in June and I have a pocket full of dmaps to fill.I depleted last years venison supply over the weekend and I look forward to srating the process all over again.You guys work on doing something drastic.I'll work on renewing some solitude by matching wits with some mountain whitetils next month.Have a great and safe season.

Apples and oranges. Not even close to the same kind of imbalance. Of course, you and Corny could run another poll..... I'm sure your results would be just what you expect (manipulate) them to be LOL

An independent survey paid for by the PGC showed that the majority of PA hunters rated the deer management plan as fair to poor.

woot woot

Nothing but hypocracy. I expected as much.

woooooot woooooot pro xbows

like the new avatar btb

"Apples and oranges. Not even close to the same kind of imbalance."

Id say 90% against hr would be a conservative estimate. Pretty much common knowledge how low approval is for pgc econut agenda. Anyone saying otherwise would be nothing but a damage control liar.:sheep:

"Of course, you and Corny could run another poll..... I'm sure your results would be just what you expect (manipulate) them to be LOL "

There has been a grand total of ONE poll skewed on this board and that was done by you. You were caught red handed voting with your so called "camp" (LMFAO) Id, after already voting with your btb name and god only knows how many others. Funny part was, the poll STILL didnt give you the result you wanted! lmao. Funny, though not surprising how the bunch of liars at pgc only get the same in support of them. A small handful of extremist liars.

"An independent survey paid for by the PGC showed that the majority of PA hunters rated the deer management plan as fair to poor. "

Pretty bad when their hand picked survey of pfsc members and other yes men didnt support them. Guess less than honest sorts like btb couldnt vote with multiple id's on that poll?? Funny part was.... what was it...those polled showed-- 41% LESS support now than even previously. Support significantly DROPPED like a ton of bricks. They stated that it wasnt due to ar but couldnt figure out why people didnt support the deer plan overall. lmao. Course if they pulled their heads out of their arses, theyd know just like the rest of us that its because of the econut agenda and EXCESSIVE RIDICULOUS REDUCTION. Course if you were them, would you point that out? lmao. Might be kinda hard to explain come fee increase time to the house game & fisheries committee.

Its a completely and miserably failed program according to any and all measures.

Awww go ahead, start another poll. Prove it to us LOL. You'll feel better and it wont do any damage since we all know how reliable your polls are.

Thanks! blkpowder gets all the credit though. He made it up for our HNI bowhunting contest team.

Blkpowder is da man!!!

Mighty funny those polls matched the results of those from other sites. People just dont support the fraud commission.:nonono2:

And the very few that do, get caught using mulitple id's. lmao. Guess it takes a real dil-hole to support them and they prove it by their actions.:s8::busted:

Everyone is well aware of who the biggest liar on any internet board is anywhere and he wears a scruffy beard, has the gall to speak of "religion" (LMFAO!) and is apparently an old boyscout for cryin' out loud! lol.

Guess you sent a few stereotypes straight out the window eh? lol.