And I never did a darn thing to you,so I guess we are even.

Other than hijack thread with nonsense. Just to slap BTB in the chops.
You are right. I apologize

No individual poster can hijack a thread. If everyone would have ignored my post the thread would have continued on topic. Furthermore, despite a brief diversion the thread did in fact return to the topic of scouting.

Since this is your first season in PA ,my advice is to concentrate your efforts on finding places to hunt and try to find a place where you have exclusive hunting rights either to an entire property or a section of a given property. If that doesn't workout, then you should take a walk in the area you are hunting either during midday on a weekday or on a Sunday and locate the other stands in the area you are hunting.
If you only walk to a location you decided on prior to the season you may have no idea that other hunters may be cutting off the deer before they reach your stand.

holy commode i think you gave someone decent advice. Three cheers for bb

sorry to hijack arrow

We should all do our part to help a new hunter adapt to the hunting conditions in our state. If he was in my area i would direct him to to coop farms that would allow him to hunt and explain how the hunting pressure effects those areas.

Public land can be tough but opportunities abound for those who are willing to put forth some effort.

Here is the website of an outfitter who consistently puts his clients on good bucks in the Allegheny National Forest in 2F/2G
(A heavily hunted public area)
This guy qperates near my camp and we've caught on to a few of his secrets. I'm PM'ing one of their best strategies to you.
http://www.alleghenywildernessoutfitter.com/

Good luck but don't tell the secret!

Where are you located in 3c? If you are located in Susq. Co. you have a lot of good hunting on State Game Lands with low hunting pressure during archer

BTW, Salt Creek Sate Park has good grouse hunting ,if you are interested.

publicland is tough to hunt .archery it will take all your time and you still may not get chance a buck.today everyone is scouting more than ever before do to lack of a lot of deer in all areas.deer are usually in certain areas and archery hunters know this.
with this the bucks will stay hidden until after dark or until rut starts.best advice i can give you is too HUNT THE RUT,that last week of archery season.
stay out trees.this is time to be on ground,this way you can move next day after seeing buck.being in tree you are stuck.bucks act different then, i had them walk right in front of me 100s of times.

friends that hunt out of trees,they always lose that week.carry binos and do scouting that RUT WEEK but be ready, he may walk right by you.bucks are unpredicatable during rut,i usually try to find where doe are feeding that week and i watch them.if i see buck out of range ,i sneak back out and give it try next day but now i know about which direction he is coming from.its hard if you are older, i fall backwards a lot, i bet those doe think its a BIGFOOT in brush, no its me that get cramps up when i kneel .

man i am not that old also but i miss the 18 year old days when i could kneel for hour without moving.soooooooooooooooooo,hunt the RUT week,use other weeks to scout and see where other hunters are hunting.if you see hunters,there are deer and in archery most other than me dont hide their trucks, i still hide mine so i am not followed into woods but it still happens every year.i had 9 treestands around me in a 500 yd circle last year.

I dont know where you are at in 3c, But there are gamelands in warren center.dont know the number at this time. I take my dog there to train, and see plenty of deer sign. I havent hunted deer there thou. A plus for you there would be there are wild hogs . I know of a guy or two that has got them there. game farm nearby has had them escape over the years.

I am in the athens area. I cannot find Warren Center.
Is it legal to shoot the pigs?