I get the same thing. Looks like a thumbnail, but when I preveiw it it becomes full size.

My co worker arrowed one last year that net scored 153 0/8 as a nontypical and 147 3/8 typical. Of course, he didn't bother to have it "officially" scored or entered into the bragging books...just like most of the guys I know that kill big deer. Of course a quick look at the PA record books shows that many of our largest bucks were killed decades ago, and while we are killing less yearlings today, there is NO evidence that the rack sizes have increased within age classes. Another failed Alt prediction. So why do most other "quality" deer states harvest a few "booners" every year, yet in PA everyone gets a lump in their pants over a 150" deer? Thought PA was the new leader in deer management. LMAO

Is this deer found on land open to the public for hunting? I don't think there is much state forest or state game land in Westmoreland county. Is this deer from Westmoreland county?

"My co worker arrowed one last year that net scored 153 0/8 as a nontypical and 147 3/8 typical. Of course, he didn't bother to have it "officially" scored or entered into the bragging books.."

Yeah, I know what ya mean ss. There will always be those not entered. But thats the case in other states as well. Yet there are still tons and tons entered in those states. Reason is simple. They kill a HELLUVA lot more.

"I got his picture on August 9th 2008. So he was not done growing. Plus,I've seen bigger! Southwest Pa. has got some big boys"

Yes, but like most other areas, very few. And the majority of those on the restricted sra areas of 2B. Where the plan isnt having effect. Thats also where most of the big buck were coming from BEFORE the plan was put in place. A simple gander at the record book will confirm that very quickly.

BP, I'll wager that buck didnt spend hunting season on that "public land". Not when there are most likely so many better and safer areas in that area.

" know I'm very happy about what I have seen and harvested since Ar's! Do I think some of the areas that I hunt can hold more deer? Absolutely! But, I would trade for two deer like this vs. twenty mediocre bucks running on the same piece of property any day."

So would I bp. Though we lost out in the trade. We gave up the quantity and didnt get the quality as promised. In fact some areas, the quality took a hit thanks to all the hr.

I'm sure you have proof to back that up.........don't you???????

"Like Corny said. Hunters from Ohio and other big deer states would not raise an eyebrow at that deer. Just another product of Pa.s failed deer program. "

Patsy I dont really think we need some little punk misrepresenting the statements made by others. I said none of the such. That buck wasnt even posted when I made my comment. What I said was fact. The supposed biggest buck in the state last year archery according to the article read, is only equal to DOZENS the same size and larger taken each and every year right next deer in Ohio? and if taken there last year wouldve ranked around 50th or so? LMAO. Anyway thats a very nice buck in the pic....certainly one Id be after, and its far from the norm. There are some few and far between exceptions to the pennsylvania crap quality rule now and there has been since deer seasons were started many many years ago.....We were told tales by a rack waving midget who had dreams of hobblebush and trillium dancing in his head.

Good news drove to Pittsburgh today 88 miles one way, and just got back, not one road kill the whole way.:barmy:

Well I donno btb....Have you looked at Illinois record book entries? Wisconsin? Ohio? etc. etc... Do you think those not turning in all these 150" giants behind every tree here in pa (lol) would make up the difference if they did turn them in? Do you think the totals would be even close? lmao. Do i really need "proof" where common sense prevails? lol.

Might also wanna look into any and all available age structure data from pgc annual reports compared to the others....as well as harvest rate of all legal bucks.

And if you find it absolutely necessary which I dont think most reasonable people would....Then YOU can do that for once on YOUR time. lol

I dont find it a very profitable use of time to prove that Pa isnt some great trophy state. lmao. About as ridiculous as arguing why Rosey Odonell isnt sexy. lol.

Yes, but like most other areas, very few. And the majority of those on the restricted sra areas of 2B. Where the plan isnt having effect. Thats also where most of the big buck were coming from BEFORE the plan was put in place. A simple gander at the record book will confirm that very quickly.

First; I'm hunting 2c and 2d. Enough said about my hunting area's. :s4:

BP, I'll wager that buck didnt spend hunting season on that "public land". Not when there are most likely so many better and safer areas in that area.

Your absolutely correct about that buck having a haven that borders the ground that I'm hunting that know one can touch him.Legally that is. But my statement was true," I photographed this buck "on" public property and I'm hunting public property. I have also been seeing more bigger buck since AR's. Maybe just more fortunate than some others in this state.:confused0024:

"First; I'm hunting 2c and 2d. Enough said about my hunting area's. "

Wasnt really replying about anything in particuloar other than your very general statement of "sw Pa having big boys"

"Your absolutely correct about that buck having a haven that borders the ground that I'm hunting that know one can touch him.Legally that is. But my statement was true," I photographed this buck "on" public property and I'm hunting public property."

Didnt really mean anything by it. Its usually always the same though, and not hard to figure out these things. lol. I would imagine before the pressure really gets to him, might be a slim chance if hunting that public area, especially during archery. Woudnt blame a man for giving it a go.:s4:

I took your statement t mean that PA is harvesting "a helluva lot less" trophy bucks than before. If your post was meant to compare pA's current harvest only against other states, My bad, I agree with you and apologize for misinterpereting your words. PA has never competed on quality with Illinois etc but we HAVE gotten closer than we ever were.

If you meant that PA is harvesting less trophy bucks than before AR, then my challenge stands.

There is no misrepresenting your statements. Bash every thing the PGC trys to do. LOL deer like the one in the pic are right under your nose and you don't even know it. As for the little punk thing, I have been around long enough to tell your the classic example of the kittycat butt who can't back up the tiger mouth. LOL

I get a kick out of guys like Maverick challenging every nice buck they see suggesting that they're untouchable or that those of us who see or harvest them have some sort of private honey hole where even the bird could shoot a nice buck.

Every private land buck I have taken in the last 10 years was seen on adjoining public land IN SEASON as well. The 10 that I killed 2 years ago was seen by dozens of hunters on ground open to public hunting before I stuck him to the ground.

Hunting is what you make of it. You make your opportunities whether it's planting food plots, making the commitment to buying your own ground, or doing the endless year round homework of seeing to it that you are welcomed on good private hunting ground, or even finding that WAYBACK spot on public ground. deer hunting success is sometimes a matter of luck but most often it's the product of good old fashioned hard work. Period.

The days of the opening morning deer pinball are gone. THANK GOD!

So what do you think is going to happen to this big boy when he is located on 600 to 800 square miles of state forest land that is all open to hunting and easily accessible? Does your area in Westmoreland county have any place where there is 600 continous square miles of land open to the public? Do you have any idea of what 600 square miles of land looks like?

So what do you think is going to happen to this big boy when he is located on 600 to 800 square miles of state forest land that is all open to hunting and easily accessible?

He'll likely live to be even nicer next year, because there won't be enough hunters in that large of a tract to give him any headaches...unless someone has the time and dedication to really pattern him, or just gets lucky?

"Easy access" to 800 square miles of public forest land? In that scenario it would have to criss-crossed with roads, like a housing development, for any real pressure to take place.

What remedy are you taking for the chronic bile problem these days?

:woot:

The simple fact is that even with ARS we harvest 80% of our AR legal buck and bucks older than 3.5 yrs. only make up 2% of the annual buck harvest.

So what do you think is going to happen to this big boy when he is located on 600 to 800 square miles of state forest land that is all open to hunting and easily accessible?

He'll likely live to be even nicer next year, because there won't be enough hunters in that large of a tract to give him any headaches...unless someone has the time and dedication to really pattern him, or just gets lucky?

Or rot to death! So Mav, you going to tell us a buck can't live to get that size on 600 to 800 square "miles" of forest.

Or rot to death!

It's occured to me many times while driving through Tioga County and looking out across miles of rolling, forested mountains, that there have probably been countless numbers of deer that've lived their entire lives in some of those places, without ever having encountered more than a few human beings. Or perhaps, not even one?

Not likely.

I'd beg to differ on that notion Denny. Maybe in another century in another time. But not nowadays. The TSF isn't as remote and secluded as it seems. With a good set of legs, I could probably hit a road every 60-90 minutes no matter what direction I would travel. What with the flower sniffers, the treehuggers, the eco-terrorists, the hikers, the floaters, the geo-cachers, the hunters, the fisherman, the foresters, the biologists, the loggers, the mountain bikers, and the deer poop counters, there ain't to many deer that haven't had a regular encounter with humans.

"There is no misrepresenting your statements."

Sure you most certainly blatantly did.

" Bash every thing the PGC trys to do."

No. I just state the facts as they pertain to the failed deer plan. Dont like it? Tough. Deal with it. If you intend to lie or insult every time I do so, then you better pack a lunch. Im free to give my opinions just as anyone else, and free to discuss the facts. This isnt huntpa.

" LOL deer like the one in the pic are right under your nose and you don't even know it."

Course they are. Behind every tree. lmao. Last big buck youd seen was probably the one lil' Gary was waving while wearing his bulletproof vest in the now famous pic. lol

" As for the little punk thing, I have been around long enough to tell your the classic example of the kittycat butt who can't back up the tiger mouth. LOL "

Physically, Im a greek god who has prolly passed turds bigger'n you, so please keep the rediculous insinuations of beating my arse or anything close to it to yourself. Ive had more than enough laughs for one day. lmao.:alien: You most certainly were acting like a little kid punk when you did what you did completely lying about my post. Dont wanna argue? Dont poke at the tiger with the kittycat butt. lol

The TSF isn't as remote and secluded as it seems.

Talking about far more than the TSF, Kev. Besides, TSF is broken up into many smaller chunks over a very wide area, not just one big parcel. Drive across 362 from Ansonia and gaze of to the north and north east while up on the high parts of the road. One helluva vista off in those directions, for many, many miles. And there is no shortage of such vistas in them parts.

Hell, SGL 208 has 8,000 acres on it. How much of that gets trudged during firearms deer? Most of the guys I know that hunt there, never get more than a quarter or half mile from the road. You wouldn't have found great numbers of deer well back-in prior to HR, but there have always been some deer in the most remote corners. The higher concentrations of deer on that SGL have always been closer to the few food plots and ag lands.

Granted, there are lots of roads, farms and small villages scattered out across some of those areas you can see from Rt. 362, but most of it is remote steep, forested mountain land.

I can get up on the highest part of the ridge behind my camp and see clear over to the big chicken farm off in the direction of Whitesville, NY. Crow-wise, it's probably 12-15 miles. In other directions I can see across far more territory than that. Same deal and I've been through some of those areas, which are virtually peopleless and roadless, but for narrow, rutted goat trails. Few venture into them in firearms seasons, especially when the weather is bad and them goat trails are virtually impassable.

Sure you can see for a long ways from those vistas. What you can't see from those vistas, is the patchwork of roads. There's plenty.

208 gets hit pretty damned hard during the firearms season. The side south of 6 gets plenty of pressure. On the west side of that tract back through Elk Run, private landowners allow family to access it easily by driving damned near to the top. On the north side it gets accessed by hunters from Kenshire. Over on the east side up through Lick Run it get accessed by the logging road in Deer Lick Hollow along with access roads from the Patterson Timber Co. property. On any given day, you can see 3-4 vehicles parked in the little cemetary back there.

As for the side north of Rt 6, that section gets hit pretty hard to. From the intersection of 349 and 6 on out to Phoenix Run, there's dozens of camps with hunters that hit 208 from the south side of that tract. Then on back through Phoenix Run just about every wide spot will have 3-4-5 vehicles parked. And that's not even taking into consideration the hunters from the camps at Phoenix Run or the camps behind the trailer park on 6. How about the food plots up on top? You ever wander around up there? Those food plots are huge and they get hunted hard. Then there's the pressure from the 349 side. Not all of those guys get less than a half mile from the road. I've been dropped off at the top food plots on that SGL and hunted my way back to Gaines with snow on the ground and found hunters tracks most everywhere I've went. 208 isn't as inaccesable as you think and it sees its fair share of hunters every year.

Huh? Prior to HR, the more remote areas of 208, with its thick laurel and oaks, always had good numbers of deer. I'm not sure where you are thinking of, but it surely can't be 208.

Sure you can see for a long ways from those vistas. What you can't see from those vistas, is the patchwork of roads. There's plenty.

Acknowledged that there are roads, farms and people out across those vast areas. There are also large tracts that probably don't get much hunting pressure, either. How many hunters now walk several miles in one day, during deer seasons?

There's a 600 acre+ parcel down the valley from my camp, that's now owned as a "hunting club" and has been for years. All posted since it stopped being a working farm and hunted by no more than a half dozen guys (if that), during firearms deer. Most of them are gone by the first Wednesday, maybe two or three stay until Saturday. Even with ATVs, gotta wonder how much territory a few guys cover in less than a week? Especially if most of them tend to sit in tree stands much of the time, which they do.

All things considered, don't think most of the more remote areas up there see much pressure, especially after the first few days. One guy walking miles, is only seeing a very small part of the picture. And there aren't "hundreds" of guys doing it at the same time, after the first few days.

What is now 208 always "had deer". My relatives hunted Long Run back in the 30s and 40s, because that's where most of the deer were back then. Few deer to found up in the farming country north of Rt. 49 then, which is why traditionally, Long Run was the place to be.

I don't know. How many hunters walk several miles each day on 208 on any given day? I know how many hunters and signs of hunters I've run into on most any given day that I've hunted 208. How many have you run into over the last several years when you were hunting 208?

Ummm, zero...'cause you were there and I wasn't?

Got any info on them other places? :s1:

Why sure.

All crisscrossed with a hodgepodge of state forest roads, township roads, camps and homes.

Steep forested mountain land. Doesn't mean it doesn't get hunted. It does. Take a ride through that steep, forested mountain land sometime during bear season with snow on the ground. You'll be surprised at the number of human tracks you can run into no matter where you go. Deer season there's even more. Right up and over those steep ridges

Don't know about that notion either. I get over north of Whitesville during the New York firearms season to with a family gang from Little Marsh and Ansonia on occassion. Seems to be enough hunters around most of the days that I've hunted over there. Especially with the advent of ATVs and jeeps. You hunted NY lately?:eek2:

LOL Ok almighty Zeus what ever you say. LOL
I owned and operated a concrete foundation business for 15 years. I used to get a kick out of all those chisled greek gods that came down the pike getting their butts kicked by a 2'x8' 80# concrete panel on a 90 degree day. as a matter of fact, they hardly ever lasted more than a week. They either quit or I had to fire them. So I apologize If I am not impressed by greek gods. LOL

Wow. 80 lb. Say it aint so. I see what you mean. I might actually chip a nail. lmao.

But I did learn something here from you. If ever I need to physically defend myself in the future, I promise, I wont suggest that my offender and I do it by going to work in 90 degree heat while moving around 80 lb concrete panels for minimum pay and see who is willing to stay there for at least a year. lmao.

Course Im sure it does wonders for the ol' bod to sit around all day in an office and occaisionally get up on ones feet to yell at the underlings doing all the lifting of those "2x8 panels". lol.

Now unless you wanna impress me with any other of your daily duties, like cleaning around the bowl of the toilet with that heavy commode brush maybe this can get back on topic?

I dont really want to add to the derailment, but i too have a concrete business and its a laugh. I have one kid thats 20 24 ish looks like a pencil, he can slug around those 80 # panels all day everyday. I have another kid about same age but looks like a big tough guy cant handle it . Even gets him vomiting funny really. same with jackhammers the pencil boy one week was on the hammer 6days 18 hrs days. he took it. Muscle boy was crying like a baby literally.
corny it isn't minimum pay doubt you could handle it, you'd definitely chip a nail.old dry concrete thats on the edges from last time would eat your little paws right up.
But heck i enjoy it when i can get away from truck long enough to play.
gotta agree with pats
poke poke to the tiger lmfao

Only thing ever derailed has been the mere thought of you making a intellectual post, and our hopes of you ever telling the truth for once.


Havent heard and insult from you in awhile. Welcome back Fo-o-o-or-orest. lol

Nice story though. Im sure there is every bit as much truth in it, as there has been proven to be in about 90% of your other posts. LMAO. Sorry Pal. Guys who get caught lying time and again have zero credibility with me.

You and Pats should get together. Maybe you two together might be able to help lift each other out of side by side chairs with some fumbling around and grunting and fartin'. lmao.

Seeing as you want to make fun of your physical superiors (jealous much lmao), I can pretty much imagine your "build" lmFao! lol

You know you have never discredited any of my post Zeus. Don't need help getting out of chair ( but after the fair food I've been eating for almost 2 weeks their is some grunting , but absoluty no farting ,That would be bad and messy. But the kid did great at nationals in New Mexico.

Fat people are harder to kidnap.

I like your boat corny, But i think you have been mistaken you dont have muscle, you have fat!

Nice shades Forest.