yeah demolishing the agency will fix all. not

[QUOTE]Now though we don’t have all of those natural limiting factors so we have to use hunters to a greater advantage to do what those once natural forces did. The problem though is that some hunters aren’t smart enough to understand how nature really works so they fight the concepts used in scientific management intended to simulate natural population controls and end up hurting the best future for our resources including the deer they are trying to protect./QUOTE]

You are the one that doesn't understand how nature really works. The max. CC of the habitat in PA is over 100 DPSM and the herd is being managed at around 13 dPSM. Hunters are doing a much better job at controlling the herd than predators could ever hope to do in the current environment.

Bowtruck, that most certainly would work if appropriate types were at the helm instead of ecofools. It works in every other state without the "deer wars".

Theyve had plenty of time and opportunity to "right the ship" but flatly refuse. They have done more than enough damage, far more than anyone should reasonably be expected to accept. If you have a better solution, Im all ears.

I happen to agree corne that our deer numbers are down.IMHO
but is shooting our foot off going to help? no

[quote=bluebird2;3389410]Yea right, a hundred deer per square mile!

I’ll bet you can’t find one professional white-tail deer manager in the entire world that would support your position on that number of deer being sustained in this state for more then a short term period. In fact the habitat couldn’t support even half that many deer universally across this state for even one year if we had even the amount of snow we had last winter.

It is so obvious that you don’t have a clue what you are talking about, when it comes to deer or nature, it is hardly even worth debating you anymore. You are simply a nut case trying to promote a very misguided agenda with no concerns for the future or the damage you perpetuate.

R.S. Bodenhorn

bowtruck, Its not like we would be cutting off our foot. Our "foot" is a valuable useful appendage. Id hardly say those adjectives describe pgc. Getting rid of the current pgc crew would be more like cutting a cancerous growth off of our foot.

You still didnt provide a better alternative?

That was very honorable of you to fess up on how you are going to move into archery season with your crossbows.

If the foot was gangrenous and showed no signs of recovery, and posed a threat to the overall health of the rest of the body...then surgical removal of the foot and a heavy dose of antibiotics would be in your best interest, for sure. Or you could hobble around on the gimpy old foot until the infection reaches your vital organs via the bloodstream, and then on your deathbed, you can see clearly through hindsight that you just should have cut off that ol' foot when you had the chance. probably be out golfing now, or better yet tracking a buck on your new prosthetic.

Obviously we are limited in our options, but the current BOC and current deer plan serves ecoweenies and timber companies. Obviously we aren't the first state to ever detect a browse line. Obviously deer need to be managed in a balance with their habitat. But exterme biodiversity and extreme minimum effect on commercial timber saplings isn't excatly the same thing. Frankly, we should not have to tolerate owdd in the single digits ANYWHERE for ANY reason. Anyone who claims we need deer levels THAT low really doesn't give a rat about deer hunting. Funny that there are plenty of other states managing their deer for hunting and still maintaining reasonable numbers....but Pennsylvania is the mgt pioneer in their own eyes. Of course we also have a liberal nut for a governor and plenty of left wing extremists in the senate.....and now on the BOC, too. Only thing we can do is keep fighting...try and get a more conservative Governor next time 'round. keep political pressure on the house and senate, esp the HGFC. They want re-elected, and they know that we vote. Keep opposing the license increase until we see some real positive change. And not be duped when their buddies at WMI slap them with a A+ in deer mgt before hiring more ex PGC comissioners.

SS, truer words have never been spoken on this board, and that is about as accurate a depiction of our situation as any Ive ever seen posted and every detail was spot on. Great post.

I'll second that.