RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

"Shouting on the INTERNET achieves nothing."

Dont bet on it.;)

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

So how is your method of just shouting down your opposition on the INTERNET working for ya?:eek:

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

More effectively than your idea of grassroots efforts, which i and the majority of our states hunter who have absolutely no chance of utilizing is. Might be effective on a localized basis here or there, if you are lucky enough to be a landowner etc... That accounts for a tiny percentage of us overall.

I respect the option you have chosen. Its not realistic for most of us. Thats just the way it is.

And yes, I have seen results in many ways from hunters voicing opinion on the internet + everywhere else combined. As much as can be expected. I know for a fact legislators have taken notice on many occassions as has pgc and others. Ive even had a post of mine awhile back spoken of in an article from a well known writer! LMAO.

It accomplishes nothing at all to put on a show of contentment when thats not reality. Makes about as much sense as having a faulty product and not contacting the company to complain or taking it back to the store for your money back. The system is broken and keeping our mouth shut is the absolute worst thing to do. Pgc is supposed to be doing what is best for us or at least compromising, not just what the econuts want because they hold influential positions within pgc and dcnr.

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

My neighbors are farmers that don't hunt and would be happy if we had zero deer. What should I tell them to convince them we should have a lot more deer?

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

There are always a few of those, and also those others, around here, that want more deer to preserve quality of hunting for themselves family or friends just post their land up to avoid the pgc slaughter... You just cant win with this worthless blanket slaughter deer plan.

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

Is that not their right? If you find rats in your shed you kill them.

At last you might see my point, not everyone love the deer that we so enjoy hunting. Farmers, foresters and many others do not enjoy deer sightingslike we as hunters do. And since we are such a small percentage of the states population, us demanding more deer at others expense is just being unreasonable.

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

THere are many tools available for those who want less deer and are interested in subtraction. (the minority overal).

You keep ignoring the truth which does not support your argument... The tiny minority are who dictate this ridiculous deer management. Not the hunters who are not the minority. Because we arent against the views of the rest of society. A tiny faction of econuts and other stakeholders are against us. Majority of society support us or arent even concerned one way or another...

As I spoke of above, the herd where needed can always be subtracted from. Unfortunately there is no adding going on everywhere else All the private land that dont care or dont want the slaughter or the gamelands.

Its a failed program with a tiny minority dictating rock bottom deer numbers, and blanket slaughter statewide and how on earth anyone wouldnt see that as a problem is beyond me.

And the only thing unreasonable is the way despite LOW HUMAN CONFLICT ratings in many wmus, and that also took into account farmers.... many even since day one with much higher herd levels....Yet..The slaughter continues. Perhaps we should just throw away the cacs and hunter voice as well and just ask farmer Brown (as long as farmer Brown wants less deer not more) Up in Wash. Co. how many even fewer deer still he would like, not on his farm....but statewide!? Unreal![:'(]

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

I listen to you state that you absolutely no problem killing a buck with archery equipment each and every year yet berate biologist for decimating the herd. Are there hunt able deer numbers in your area? There are in mine. Would I like more ? of course. Isthat realistic ? I don't know.
I just find your call to destroy the organization that we have in place to regulate hunting as an invitation for a Pandora's box epidemic for the antis to take hunters and hunting completely out of the picture and turn hunter paid for game lands into parks such at Gettysburg where hired snippers will be paid to kill the deer and dump them into rotting pits.
Please be careful what you wish for.[:@]

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

Seeing as how they own the land that feeds them, convincing them to feed a lot more is probably hopeless. Forcing them to feed them by not controlling the numbers is just plain wrong and is exactly the point to letting all stakeholders into the process.

Timber companies are no different. Their crop is the trees and they should not have to sustain deerdensities on their land that would make regeration of their most desired tree crop impossible or too costly.
Hunters like you clamor for more deer claiming that the forest can support em. maybe it can, but that landowner has the right to protect his crop from deer or anyother critter from destroyingit, be it soybeans or or corn or oak trees

RE: WHAT IS BEST FIX FOR THE BROKEN SYSTEM IN PA??
 

"I listen to you state that you absolutely no problem killing a buck with archery equipment each and every year yet berate biologist for decimating the herd. Are there hunt able deer numbers in your area? There are in mine."

Yes. There are. But that doesnt mean my satisfaction and that of a helluva lot of others hasnt been greatly maleffected. Ive explained how and why in great detail on a helluva lot of posts since Ive been a member here, and by now you should know my position quite well...Not to mention the herd is STILL declining!! LOL. At what point is it Ok by you for the hunters of this state to get pizzed???.

" Would I like more ? of course. Is that realistic ? I don't know. "

Of course it is. Why couldnt it?

"I just find your call to destroy the organization that we have in place to regulate hunting as an invitation for a Pandora's box epidemic for the antis to take hunters and hunting completely out of the picture"

First Jim, I think the antis are a nonissue joke...thats my position anyway. The biggest threat these days does NOT come from Them, and I dont think i need to tell you my opinion on who is.... The sometimes friendly when its convenient, sometimes not... environmentalists...

I also am not making any real call to destroy anyone. My position is flexible. I see many possible solutions. However i think the most viable option to work long term, at least of those I listed would be option 4.

"and turn hunter paid for game lands into parks such at Gettysburg where hired snippers will be paid to kill the deer and dump them into rotting pits.
Please be careful what you wish for"

C'mon now Jim. Thats more than a bit "out there". Thats a pretty far fetch scare tactic scenario. Not gonna happen. And certainly not a realistic reason to stop complaining about current mismanagement!