USP President OK with deer audit contractor
 

This deerprogram audits validity, even though it has yet to begin, has been a subject for debate here in recent weeks. The May 22 issue of PA outdoor news contains some interesting quotes from none other than Seve Mohr, president of the USP.

From PA outdoor news May 22, 2009, Front page article titled

At last, deer audit slated:


Personally, I still contend that endorsing or condemning the audit before it happens is foolish at bestbut I also thought these quotes coming from the USP prez were kind of interesting when one considers all the hand wringing over the thing before its done by a vocal few here. :D:D:D:D

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Maybe Mohr doesn't realize that WMI can write an audit that supports the PGC plan without jeopardizing their reputation. The methods the PGC uses for estimating population harvests ,forest health and herd health have already been peer reviewed and found to be valid. Unless the audit requires that specific apparent conflicts in the PGC plan be addressed, WMI can just ignore them.

WMI has already said they support diversity,so they will have no problem justifying the amount of HR the PGC has implemented.

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Bb going by that theory you could say they are out to get the pgc or they are this or that. But until they do the job does anyone have any proof or facts to say what they will do

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I have the proof that WMI supports biodiversity which means they support the PGC HR plan. What do you have to offer in defense of WMI?

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Nodda but i am not saying hip hip hooray the audit will Grrreat either

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That is a reasonable position to take and I don't have a problem with that.

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I agree 100% bowtruck. We need to let it happen before cheering or booing.

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But you claimed the audit would be objective even though you had nothing to support that claim. So you were cheerleading!!!

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LOL, you really need to read before you post or maybe you need to go back and read slower. I've said several times in this thread and another that the audit deserves scrutiny once complete but any audit should have the expectation of objectivity before it starts.

Please point out one example of a state agency or other organization proving bias on the part of WMI in some past evaluation in this field.


If an organization that has done contract work for 40 state agencies and 4 provinces has a tendency toward bias, surely some proof of said bias would be available from some past client.

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That is not what you said in the quote I provided. You decared that the audit would be objective based solely on your opinion.
It is impossible to prove an inherent bias when deer management is subjective rather than objective. If the PA audit was based on the number of deer the habitat can support the audit would make the PGC look like idiots. But if the audit is based on the biodiversity carrying capacity the PGC will look like heroes.

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I guess we just have to wait for the audit and see then we will know. Right?

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Without a doubt the final analysis of the audit will be based on it's contents and omissions. Until then we are just voicing our opinions and there is nothing wrong with that.

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And your point is? Yes, we all should go into it expecting the audit to be conducted objectively but no, that statement was not a declaration on something that has yet to be produced. You can't reasonably support your position that the audit will be biased so you make a desperate attempt todwell one statement and take it out of context. what a surprise!


Thank you for proving that your claim of bias within the survey has no basis other than your own inherent bias about any and all deer management.

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The point is you referred to the audit as being objective ,even though it hadn't even been started.. You say we should all expect a objective audit, but that is just your opinion and carries no more weight that those that think the audit will be biased. We are all entitled to our opinions and they will have no effect on the outcome of the audit ,so expressing those opinions does no harm.

Why would you or anyone else expect an objective audit when WMI has stated they support bio-diversity which requires a much lower deer density than the habitat can support on a sustainable basis ,which in turn results harvests that are 75% lower than if the herd was managed at the MSY carrying capacity.

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So what you're saying is that in order for you to call an audit objective, the auditing firm mustadopt a goal of managing deer for maximum sustained numbers of deer without considering the habiata or other wildlife.

Thanks for confirming thatyou simply expect PA to be managed as one big deer farm.

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I disagree with Mohr. And the usp "opinion" has no effect on my own in any regard. They agree with me on some aspects of the deer plan and politics behind it, yet are free to disagree without needing my approval or me theirs.

As for the audit, An audit can make PGC look great with biased people doing it or it could make them look terrible with people biased the other way having done it. And either could be acheived without telling one lie by the auditor. Thats why an "unbiased" auditor with no "connections" should only have been common sense and priority number one.

WMI has many ties to pgc, that is undeniable, and that shouldve disqualified them period in my view, and that should be at least understandable to anyone unbiased.. As a "stakeholder", and one of the many for whom this audit is taking place, to supposedly address our concerns, I am not satisfied with the choice of audit, and I for one will not accept anything from them other than reasonable change. That would be the only way the audit would be proven "unbiased".

If we are to accept anything less, it imho, would have to come from a 100% unbiased auditor with NO strong pgc ties as wmi has, and the audit will have to of covered all the important "angles". Will it cover all "considerations"? I don't know, but many over on hpa seem to beleive otherwise, and are very happy with the fact they think it will not. Even if it does however, as i said, there is zero chance I will support a result of anything less than what we should only be able to expect (without this audit in the first place) which is responsible change.

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No, all WMI has to do is make it quite clear that the PGC is managing the herd with the goal of biodiversity and that they are not managing the herd based on herd health and forest health.

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"Thanks for confirming that you simply expect PA to be managed as one big deer farm. "

There is a helluva long ways between "one big deer farm" and our econut driven extreme unnatural amount of biodiversity in favor of deer current situation.

Then again, Im SURE the audit will look at our pgc's current misplaced values. (LOL).:eek: The goals are econut biodiversity driven and the plan is 100% sound towards that end. Only way there would be suggestion of "change" is if wmi was unbiased and said pgc needed to be more "hunter friendly" and change their goals. I dont think the audit will be looking at changing pgcs goals, but at how well they are headed towards achieving those they already have. And if thats the case, I agree pgc is doing a super job. Not saying that is a good thing though mind you.[8D]

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It's pretty clear that if God himself did the audit and he didnt say we need more deer everywhere, you'd be calling him an econut as well.

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Only if he had ties to the audubon deer freak show, our newest commission worked for him, Was peddling ALt & Grunds nonsense on their website, did previous projects with pgc and had the econut BRYON FRIGGIN SHISSLER working for him.

Dont know about "god himself", but I know that accurately describes our "unbiased" (LMAO) hand picked AUDITOR WMI.

Bowtruck, borrow btbs other voting id and go vote again (LMAO). Your view only had 3 votes. Most people arent stupid enough to blindly believe the fraudulent commission or anything to do with them these days...;)

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Maybe it's just me.... bowtruck do you have any idea what this fool is trying to say?????

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I think it pretty much speaks for itself. I didnt stutter and your ears didnt flap.;)

I also love the cowardly way you reply always waiting for me or someone else delivering the boot to your keister to log off before replying. Ive noticed your little trend for some time now and get a chuckle out of it. here, I'll go away again now so you can hurl another insult. LMAO.;)

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I have no idea what he is trying to say. So it isn't just you BTB. Oh well

Corne, maybe some people dont just stare at the screen waiting to yell and fight.

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Donno bout you, but i havent been "online" much lately. Too much to do. In middle of 2 hour workout right now, only reason Im on in between sets and PC is about 10 feet away. So Im not just "sitting around" all day jumping from site to site and like you jokers picking potato chip crumbs out of your belly button between posts. LMFAO!;)

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ah ok wtf

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My workout was about 12 hrs today

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Yes, and Id imagine doing cheek presses with your lazyboy recliner quite strenuous! LMFAO!

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LOL no not all people take a holiday weekend off . Would be nice thou
Haven't took a day off in some time now.

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I'll 'be sure and think about you tonight on the boat.:D

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eww no don't think of me

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Donno what it is, all you and btb think of is homo-erotic crap. Sickos.

I'll be thinking what a lying arse, an perverted sicko you are. LMFAO!:D

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As i said in last two threads this may have been fun But it is childish and pointless, and their is no need bicker over nonsense grow up.

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Practice what you preach.

Or, you can call the kettle black 15 more times, makes no diff. to me.[&:]

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You are even more paranoid than any of us could have imagined! Yep, I sit here all day waiting for cornboy to log off so I can post. Your delusions are getting more and more ridiculous.

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Ive seen you do it 1000 times liar. Only reason you arent now is because I pointed it out. Got a bit quicker on your reply time since. LMFAO![:-]

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Do you have any idea how paranoid and silly you sound? Any idea at all? Did you come up with this little theory all by yourself or did the voices tell you about it?

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Lie number 102,000,345 since 2/12/2003.

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LOL, I think I'll just let that one speak for itself:D

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Good, because if you dont, it will only end up being another line of lies from you. This time, lying about lying. LOL