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RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
"Not really. The audit doesnt have to go out in the field and count deer or count embryos again. They just have to evaluate PA's practices against known, accepted and reliable scientific practices. Peer review is the term often usedto describethe practice."
I agree little fieldwork will be done. They dont have to, to makeit a long and tedious process. There are tons and tons of data from several years to sort through in regards to several processes as well as addressingthe processes of obtaining and using that data in depth. As well as comparing the same to other states. As well as addressing hunter satisfaction issues and human conflict. Weighing the pros and cons of our current goalsetc. I believe they should be asked for acceptable alternatives that are more hunter friendly, that would require some in depth fact gathering as well... H-U-G-E study if all is thoroughly addressed as it should be. 2 problems I see. One is the#1 problem of all imho. And they most likely will not evaluate it as a "problem". It isour "goals" and how "weight" is distributed to each. Thats a judgement call, and no science involved when you say "we are gonna manage with more weight given biodiversity and minimal to "hunter satisfaction" and recreational deer uses. Whats appropriate in that area or inappropriate? Judgement call on part of Pgc. Poor judgement imho. How can an audit address that when it doesnt entail science, but is 100% based on individuals values? Another problem with our current system, which will not be addressed is very basic and by many seen as the root of many of our problems, the commissioner selection process... But thats another topic... |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
Not really. The audit doesnt have to go out in the field and count deer or count embryos again. They just have to evaluate PA's practices against known, accepted and reliable scientific practices. Peer review is the term often used to describe the practice. The PGCs's methods for estimating harvests and population estimates have already been peer reviewed so the audit will just duplicate those reports. The PGC has provided the studies they use to justify using embryos/adult doe for determining herd health along with reference for using forest health. Therefore, the audit only needs to look at whether the PGC applied those results in an appropriate manner and that is strictly a subjective decision. |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
One example of just how you twist facts, The fact that water is a colorless, tasteless, liquid, is a true statement, except when the temperature is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 One example of just how you twist facts, The fact that water is a colorless, tasteless, liquid, is a true statement, except when the temperature is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
VERY INTERESTING FIND ON THE WMI WEBSITE!
------------- "edited by the WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT INSTITUTE PUBLICATIONS DEPARTMENT Annual Held March 22 to 25, 2006 in Columbus, Ohio Published annually since 1915, the Transactions of the North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference provide a unique and informative record of the direction and momentum of professional natural resource management. Tracking current research and management emphases and the perspectives and approaches to meeting the challenges to sustaining and conserving North America's wildlife and their habitats, the Transactions is a valuable reference for all who deal with the complexities and intricacies of natural resource issues, policies and programs. Contents Opening Session. Natural Resource Conservation...The Other Homeland Security Welcome and Opening Remarks of the 71st North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference, Steven A. Williams When You Come to a Fork in the Road, Take It, but..., John Baughman Development and a Changing Climate: Wildlife Caught in the Squeeze, James T. Martin Session One. When Wildlife and Human Interactions Lead to Crisis Learning from the Past and Preparing for the Future: Managing Wildlife Crises, Robert H. Schmidt, Terry Mansfield and Thomas J. DeLiberto Crisis Management: Top Ten Rules for Working with the Media during a Crisis, Valerie L. Fellows The Challenge of White-tailed Deer Management, Gary L. Alt, Marrett D. Grund and Byron P. Shissler Managing Negative Human-Wildlife Situations, Mark Damian Duda " Anyone recognize those three clowns?? Our past head of deer management + another pgc recent exbiologist and the big "PGC CRITIC" lmao, all tighter than two peas in a pod!!! Not only that, but obviously revered by WMI!!!Hey, maybe one or all three will be on the unbiased "expert panel"...Wouldnt that be a hoot?!!! http://www.wildlifemanagementinstitute.org/store/product.php?productid=16177 |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
You are too late. All those issues except the white sauce have been raised and the thread is still about the audit. I hope when they finally agree on a contract that they release the actual document so we will know what the audit is actually going to cover, because right now we are all just guessing.
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RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
More interesting snippets about this "unbiased" audit... Alt and Shissler work for the same agency they put together as consultants... Alt was instrumental in the formation of our deer plan.... Wmi doing the audit...
Shissler the econut...the supposed "critic"....has worked with wmi and pgc!! -------------------------------------------- " Bryon P. Shissler C.W.B. [blockquote] As a certified wildlife biologist for NRC Inc., Mr. Shissler has been involved in providing a broad range of ecological services including assisting communities, and property owners with the assessment, management planning and administration of overabundant deer problems, environmental assessments, landuse planning, low impact development, environmental impact statements, natural resource inventories, wetland delineations, mitigations and replacement, wildlife and forestry management planning, and expert witness services. He has served as a consultant on deer and forest ecology to Audubon Pennsylvania, Scientific Certification Systems, and the Forest Stewardship Council.. Mr. Shissler is currently under contract with the Pinchot Institute of Conservation to conduct a national evaluation of deer management programs and how they have or have not integrated ecosystem management concepts. He also serves as the director of the Ecosystem Management Project administered by the Community Foundation For the Alleghenies. Bryon has served as an adjunct professor for Penn State University, published over 85 juried and popular articles on forest ecology, natural history, and natural resources management; and served as Conservation Editor for the Pennsylvania Sportsmen Magazine and as a columnist for Pennsylvania Wildlife. He has development and taught dozens of professional and popular workshops, through Penn State University, Community Colleges, Audubon Pennsylvania and individual communities and clients. Mr. Shissler has, on behalf of many clients, conducted public meetings on controversial issues with the goal of identifying common values, goals and opportunities for resolution. EDUCATION West Virginia University, Morgantown, M.S. Wildlife Management, 1981. Pennsylvania State University, State College, B.S. Biology, 1976. PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE Wildlife Biologist - Wildlife Managers: 1981 to 1989 President - Natural Resource Consultants Inc. : 1983 to present PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES AND SPECIAL ACHIEVEMENTS Certified Wildlife Biologist (1988) Growth Management Task Force, Lancaster County Planning Commission - 1991 Deer Management Forum- Audubon Pennsylvania 2001 - Present Deer Management Team, Pennsylvania Game Commission 2000 - 2004 Wildlife Management Institute/Pennsylvania Game Commission�s Deer Management Working Group, 1997-1999 Governor�s Sportsmen Advisory Council, 1994-1998 Forest Stewardship Council, Certification Working Group, Central Appalachian Region, 1997 - 2000 DCNR Ecosystem Management Advisory Committee, 1996-1997 Conestoga Valley Association Board of Directors - 1983-1990 Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen�s Clubs, Game Committee Chairman - 1986 State Forest Stewardship Committee - 1994 Member - Ecological Society of America - Natural Areas Association - Society for Ecological Restoration - Society for Conservation Biology - The Wildlife Society [/blockquote] |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
Then we have this quote.
Rep. Godshall recalled how the general consensus of the study was to use an out of state contractor to ascertain an accurate count of the number of deer in PA. Rowe agreed with this statement. Rep. Godshall then expressed concern over the fact that the accuracy of WMI's work would depend upon the data the Game Commission provides them. He worried about prior statements from the Executive Director of the Game Commission where he said the Director admitted to not knowing if the state had ten healthy deer or 100 healthy deer. Rep. Godshall also worried about verbiage from WMI about their conclusions being contingent upon the data they receive from the Commission. He stressed that to accurately conduct this study field work would have to be done. Rowe said he is not going to argue with the Representative's concern but stressed that field work would be a part of the study. He added that "if possible" verbiage was simply related to WMI not knowing at this point in time about the quality of the data they would receive. Rowe stressed that if it is found that the data quality is poor then WMI will make recommendations on how the Game Commission can change its data collection system. |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
The more I learn, the less I care what the hell they do!!! LOL.:D Did you read my above post??
PGC has more friggin ugly connections to this "wmi" than the mafia does!! This &*%$#@ Shissler also has worked very instrumentally in the forming of our deer plan and the pr for it prior to that with wmi!!! OUr newest commissioner worked with wmi!!!! Pgc has had projects done with wmi!!! Who was the dumbass that picked friggin wmi!?!?!?!? |
RE: PA DEER AUDIT UPDATE.....
This idiot has been involved in every group that are 100% counter to thehunters of Pa. Thesethings on this idiot resume represent every single thing wrong with our deer mangement currently:
Deer Management Forum- Audubon Pennsylvania 2001 - Present Deer Management Team, Pennsylvania Game Commission 2000 - 2004 Wildlife Management Institute/Pennsylvania Game Commission�s Deer Management Working Group, 1997-1999 Governor�s Sportsmen Advisory Council, 1994-1998 DCNR Ecosystem Management Advisory Committee, 1996-1997 Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen�s Clubs, Game Committee Chairman - 1986 Great resume' you dork winding s-o-b! |
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