DO YOU THINK PGC SHOULD BE GIVEN MORE MONEY?
 

DO YOU SUPPORT A LICENSE FEE INCREASE FOR THE GAME COMMISSION?

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I guess you couldn’t even create a poll without biasing the results.

If you had wanted to have an unbiased and far result you would have included another question that read something along the lines of, “I don’t always agree with the Game Commission but understand and support the need for a license increase.”

As you poll is being done it has absolutely ZERO credibility of an unbiased result. But, then I am sure that is exactly the reason you biased it to start with. And, what to call others a liar, while you set up a poll that is intentionally going to produce the desired biased outcome? Doesn’t that make your biased result nothing more then a LIE and you the LIAR evertime you use the poll results?

You should leave polls to people that can set them up with a fair slate of questions.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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"If you had wanted to have an unbiased and far result you would have included another question that read something along the lines of, “I don’t always agree with the Game Commission but understand and support the need for a license increase.”

Wrong again rsb. That would fall under option 3 above. If you dont agree ALWAYS with pgc, yet support them getting a fee increase even if it means NO changes or even if it means our situation WORSENING.... Then you pick option 3. ITs that simple.

If this question were included in our license as part of the transaction with a poll of 900,000 hunters+, Id bet 800,000 of them would say no.

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D ick,

Why don't you post your own poll with your own wording and we will see how different the results are?

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Truth is, you'd be afraid of a fair and balanced list of choices. Besides the poll will be skewed once you, pedroand the bird post your votes under all your aliases.

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That can easily be checked by administrator if you cry loud enough.;) I dont have a clue who Pedro is, but I have one ID. But I wouldnt put it past you pgc supporters, since in the real world there probably wouldnt even be the 4 votes FOR it that are there currently. Course I hafta remember a more liberal amount of pgc employees and dcnr fellas roam these boards too and make upa MUCH higher percentage of the vote, than it would be if the total hunter ranks were polled. So i think it safe to say, whatever the outcome, in reality we could probably add 20-30% no vote to the results if we wanted to, to keep it realistic. ;)

This isnt a pFSC poll that has no "no" answer. Sorry.

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As I said. You're simply afraid of a fairly worded poll.

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If I were, I wouldnt have worded it fairly as i did.

You either SUPPORT the license fee increase PERIOD.
Or you DO NOT SUPPORT the license fee increase PERIOD.
ORYou dontSUPPORTunless conditions are met.

Thats the reality of it. Either PGC doesnt change things. Or they do. Question covers both possibilities.

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Id say that poll says a lot. You,ve got 3 choices it,s really down to the 3 choices. And for WC0 Bodenhorn your question of I dont always agree with the GC. is far off in left field. Remember were supposed to be doing an audit of the deer mismanagement in this Commonwealth and your agency turned around and said they really DOUBT if they could cooperate with said audit. The hunters of this state deserve this audit to finally bring everything to life and you folks say that. Who do you folk,s think you are CIA, or what.

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The PGC needs to be wiped clean. All fired and all politics taken out of the system. Real lifetime hunters representing the state from different areas making decisions.WE need people that actually spend time ( hundreds of hours in the woods ).Its a real joke Rendell the liberal anti- gun globalist politician gets to appoint the PGC leaders.When the PGC starts taking statistics from the United
Nations commies ,thats the last straw.

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Well Corn,your poll is not a totally badidea. Just because of the different opinions we read on this forum,I would be curious as to all 800,000+ license buyers really felt. But since this poll will only receive an insignificant minority of votes. It can not representnor canit's outcome be a testament of how ALL Pa. hunters feel. Regardless of which way the poll favors. [/align]

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If the Pgc really cared what the average hunter thought,it could easily be accomplished by having license buyers fill out a short questionaire at the time the license was purchased.And if they ever move into the 21st century and go to online license sales or online or telephone deer kill surveys,it would be even easier.But as usual,I wouldn't hold my breath !

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Ya Good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Unlike you im no liar, and the only thing I see funny is your shameless balling on the other thread! "WAAA! your classless!....WAAAA....you wont be missed" Ring a bell lil' buck bomber? LMAO!

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Good piece that appeared in Newspaper on the fee increase topic awhile back.

"This is in response to a rallying effort of the Pa Game commission to get a hunting license fee increase. Currently some Pgc employees, family member, and friends are circulating written as well as an online petition for supporting this increase. The messageboard websites the online petition is posted on have combined over 30,000 members. Unfortunately for them the petition currently has only about 800 signatures. Consider the fact that the states pgc employees alone number over 700, and the hunter numbers are over 900,000 and you can pretty much see the lack of support they are recieving. I understand that pgc needs a license increase sooner of later, but also believe they should do what is right towards the good of hunting. Currently the approval rating of the agency is at an all time low, and sportsmen including myself are just disgusted with their deer management plan. The state legislature has heard the complaints and also, many being avid hunters themselves, have stepped in and withheld the license fee increase until reasonable compromise can be reached. There is a small minority however who would like to circumvent this damage control measure, give the license fee increase and completely end all negotiations and allow the deer herd mismanagement to continue for another decade. Pgc could fix this situation of having the vast majority of the hunters extremely upset as well as more easily gain their fee increase, so it is themselves who are preventing the license fee increase. Please contact the state legislators and let them know we will not tolerate being sold out any longer."

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Another Corny Lie!!!


That was a a post word for word by one Theodore H on the following message board

http://www.topix.com/forum/county/greene-pa/TQ41QU0FOBVASI344

Not a newspaper

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Actually this Theodore H guy is worth reading if you want a laugh.

He gets put in his place by one Kathy Davis (gee where have I heard that name?)

This guy "Theodore" hails from Greene County and likes to yell liar at folks.

Sound like anyone we know??????

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Sorry , my all too quick to jump friend, but that piece ALSO appeared in the Herald Standard.

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Whatever you say Theodore. LMFAO!

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Wow, thanks for the link. Those guys really tore into her didnt they? Guess thats what a lying tree hugger deserves. Seems they are pretty familiar with the lyin shes known for.[:'(] Kinda funny how someone at the cac caught her lying about it! LOL Thats what you call sticking your foot in your mouth. Did you teach her?:D

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Not me chief. But I might have some notion of who didauthor it. A very smart fellow btw;)

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Whatever you say chief. But I didnt write the piece, and my name isnt theodore LMAO! but I'll gladly take credit for one helluva piece if you insist.;)

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Make up your stories as you go along liar. First you claim it's from a newspaper when it's some clown posting on a message board. The clown sounds exactly like you in his writing. This Buffoon Theodore claims to "know" what went on at a meeting but when pressed admits he didnt attend. Kathy Davis puts him in his place so he starts yelling liar. It all sounds a bit too familiar. Are you Theodore H? Likely but not absolutely certain. Are you a liar?

Yes. Proven once again!

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How was this proven?? I said i knew who wrote it, I didnt write it, and it was in the Herald Standard, and as I understand it, a few more papers as well as letter to editor.

Keep grasping Mr. Desparate. Thought this was your one big chance to see how it feels every time I point outYOUR lies...didnt ya? LMAO! You shouldve known better..[:'(]

I just reviewed the thread again and see Kathy was alsoyelling, LMAO, as you call it, using caps. So did I also write her dialogue? [8D]

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I'll also tell you this much, if my name WERE theodore, Id be signin' everything TED! LOL:D

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Your something else to you know how to count the post its on the bottom. Your girlfriend got blasted again like she did in the O.L. article. Your truly amazing.

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Twowithone says: " And for WC0 Bodenhorn your question of I dont always agree with the GC. is far off in left field. Remember were supposed to be doing an audit of the deer mismanagement in this Commonwealth and your agency turned around and said they really DOUBT if they could cooperate with said audit. The hunters of this state deserve this audit to finally bring everything to life and you folks say that. Who do you folk,s think you are CIA, or what. "

2, we gotta remember Mr. Bodenhorn is the one who said hunters should take there money and take a flying leap. And also, we have to consider that an audit would be a very good thing, but also have to take into account Pgcs newest scam. One of the new commissioner nominees works for the company that was supposed to do this audit. Wow, sure isconvenient. Coming after pgc already once stated they wouldnt comply. Now theyhave an excuse. Howcan an audit now be objective? Pgc gets out of audit.... Or worse, they get a verybiasedaudit. surprise surprise. Theysay they can no longer wait because noone else can do the audit, soshow us the money... Pgcdoing what they do best. SLippin' and slidin' dodgin' weavin', keepin that deersham plan in place any way possible.

Ithink its long overdue thatthe legislators quit shadow boxing, grow a set and deliver the k-o punch already.[:'(]

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It has been slightly more then one full day since the legislation concerning a hunting license fee increase has been made public. In that time I am aware of three (3) polls on two different hunting message boards asking the hunters if they support the increase or not. It is rather interesting to see those results so I will post those results for all to see.

On this site alone there have been a total of 47 votes on the two separate polls. Here is the summary of those two polls:

11.…..23 %……..No increase votes
24.…..51 %……..Yes to the increase votes
12.…..26 %……..Maybe support an increase (qualified) votes

With the combination of the three separate polls there are a total of 107 votes. Here is the summary of all three polls.

22.…..21 %……..No votes
73.…..68 %……..Yes votes
12.…..11 %……..Maybe support an increase (qualified) votes

From this it seems pretty obvious that the majority do support a license increase. Even on this message board filled with USP and other anti-Game Commission people the majority say yes to a license increase while less then 25% stand totally opposed to the increase.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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Hmmm. Looks like 16 to 11....In favor of NO or NOT WITHOUT CHANGE.
My poll wasnt intended to be "combined" with some sham poll that was deceptive in wording. Also, my poll didnt have a "maybe" option, as it is rediculous! (LMAO!)

Even if you combine the 2, you would have 23 NO votes. 18 yes. And 6 maybe (on other poll).

Lets keep your lying out of it. I see deer data isnt the only thing you attempt to lie about for damage control.

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BTW, I have no interest in your poll on huntingpa where there are nothing but pgc employees, dcnr guys and nonhunting conservationists.

90% of those who wouldve voted no are already booted! LMAO! You do NOT vote no against fee increase or pgc on that site on a regular basis and live to tell about it! LMAO! Hell, I didnt even vote. Figured theyd key in on my id which theyve tried to ferret out for some time now! LMAO!

I could combine with all the polls against pgc from various sites that were between 60-80+% against them, and the results would be far more accurate than asking ANYTHING from hpa. Might as well ask Carl Roe himself if he wants an increase! LMAO!

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Just setting the record straight. And will continue with the text, just because I know how you love it.;)

I guess that pic is rsb reacting to his lies being pointed out yet again?

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Out of 900k hunters how many do you think are members of a hunting forum?
Maybe put a report card like you do for deer harvest with each license and see what your results would be. I bet you get more resposes for that than you do deer harvest cards sent in. Majoritycheckingthe HELL NO!!!! box.More and more people are joining the anti deer slaughter movement here in PA. A few more fishermen I talked to also has disgust with the deer management . Out of 3 I talked to all three was not pleased at all. That is 100% if I do the math like RSB and buthunter and company.

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THeres no doubt about it, in the real world, hunters arent very happy with pgc. Gary alt wasnt wearing a bullet proof vest because he was afraid of getting hugged to death. PGc isnt NOT getting that fee increase thus far because they are a cherished organization, and our hunter numbers havent been declining at over double the national average because of high hunter satisfaction! LMAO!

I know alot of people around here, and they dont support pgc,their sham plan, or a fee increase. LOTTA distrust these days. Whatever the poll results are, you have to keep in mind you have pgc employees on here voting, dcnr guys...

You're also right on about rsb and btbuthunter. Only thing i would add, is not only would they manipulate the statistic into meaning something it didnt, they'd just flat out lie and make up the statistic. Those 3 people wouldve turned into 30.

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The onlything you are setting straight is that you obviously aren’t capable of fourth grade mathematics’, understanding poll results, (including your own), or being objective and honest.

Even in the poll you set up only shows 13 % of the respondents are opposed to a license fee increase. 41% of the respondents say they support a license increase with no strings attached. Everyone else was neutral and would support the increase depending on if they were getting their way or not.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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17 people oppose a fee increase or oppose it without change. (meaning until change is made, they agree with those in choice one)

17 to 12. Poll really doesnt need "interpretation". Only reason I point this out is as usual someone has to clean up the crap you shovel.

The only way those in group two support a fee increase is if responsible changes are made. Im sorry but I do not see those changes having been made yet?;)

Currently 58% against, because "CURRENTLY" there havent been any reasonable changes made yet...nor is there any promise that there will be!. Btw, for the record I personally voted for #2. I will support a fee increase when changes are at least proposed. Or at the very least after an unbiased audit is conducted and pgc adheres to the findings.... And not one second sooner.Huge majority of thoseI know or speak with say the same. Of course, none of them are pgc employees, dcnr employees or audubon members.

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Got the Frank brothers on here. RSB Frank, btbuthunter Frankand denny Frank. Just remember to say this to the Frank brothers when they do polls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

I be getting a new nic here soon after this post. LMFAO

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Guess you were right blkpowder....



Right now, scorp is "deep in thought" LOL

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I disagree with your take on what those that are supportive if their change really represent. In the real world of polls they are fence sitters that could go either direction if there vote were the deciding one. I simply don’t think you have the no increase support you think you have.


I am also sure you, and the other aliases, and handful of like minded posters would all like to ignore the other poll on this same message board. In that poll 61% are presently in favor of an increase with only 38% opposed.

The facts are very simple and all of the various polls prove it; the majority do support a license increase. Even on this site, that is heavily weighted by the USP and a few others that have been kicked off of the message boards that require proper posting behavior, people support a license fee increase.

It is all really immaterial though since the only ones that get to vote on the legislation are the Representatives and Senators voted in to make such legislative decisions. I agree it will be a difficult bill to get passed; but mostly because of the financial state of the present economy instead of if the hunters want one or not. We’ll just have to wait and see how the real vote goes.

But, you go ahead and keep shouting, pouting, stomping your feet and yelling liar, it helps illustrate just how immature you really are.

R.S. Bodenhorn