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RE: Its a great day in PA
The pole timber around this area are mostly the places that were clear-cut more then twenty years. That was back when all of the real factual evidence, such as buck harvests, indicate there were fewer deer in this area of the state then there were anytime between five to twenty year ago. Fifteen to twenty years of over population can result in serious damage to the habitat, including any clear-cuts. If your claims of severe over browsing were true, there wouldn't be any pole timber at all in 2G and the amount of forested acreage would have decreased significantly. But, like Bryce Hall stated in the article ,72% of the clearcuts during the 80's regenerated successfully at much higher densities than we have now. |
RE: Its a great day in PA
Obviously Bluebird, what RSB is trying to say is that he believes there are no thirty to forty year old red oaks in 2G, due to the high DD in the late 70's....they simply ate all the available oak sprouts. He also is stating his disbelief of PGC data that showed the herd peaked muchsooner than the 1990's....Standard PGC rhetoric.
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RE: Its a great day in PA
pgc rhetoric = lies
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RE: Its a great day in PA
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The pole timber around this area are mostly the places that were clear-cut more then twenty years. That was back when all of the real factual evidence, such as buck harvests, indicate there were fewer deer in this area of the state then there were anytime between five to twenty year ago.Fifteen to twenty years of over population can result in serious damage to the habitat, including any clear-cuts. If your claims of severe over browsing were true, there wouldn't be any pole timber at all in 2G and the amount of forested acreage would have decreased significantly. But, like Bryce Hall stated in the article ,72% of the clearcuts during the 80's regenerated successfully at much higher densities than we have now. I’m not misleading anyone. Just because you don’t like the facts doesn’t mean it is misleading or not factual. It just means you aren’t knowledgeable enough to accept the facts. I am telling you what has occurred here and what is pretty obvious to the people trained and studying those habitat conditions over the past few decades. As for those estimated deer densities we have been over the fact that they are the least reliable deer estimated ever used. But, regardless of what those estimated deer densities have been expressed as it is obvious the deer haven’t allowed the habitat to be sustain or for even the deer to be sustained on that declining habitat. Furthermore, Bryce Hall would be the first to tell you that the habitat has greatly declined over the past twenty years and since he wrote that Game news article. R.S. Bodenhorn |
RE: Its a great day in PA
ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel Obviously Bluebird, what RSB is trying to say is that he believes there are no thirty to forty year old red oaks in 2G, due to the high DD in the late 70's....they simply ate all the available oak sprouts. He also is stating his disbelief of PGC data that showed the herd peaked muchsooner than the 1990's....Standard PGC rhetoric. That no thirty and forty year old oaks is actually a fact in many parts of this area. I have been going in where were doing clear-cuts, and even some select cuts, for nearly twenty-five years now to count the growth rings on the species deer eat. In most cuts I can’t find anything deer eat that has regenerated since the mid to late 1940’s. That means it has actually been about sixty to seventy years since the deer allowed a good food source for themselves to grow beyond the seedling stage in most areas. There are a few exceptions but not many, unless it was an area where there were massive that included hundreds of acres being affected like where they cut ahead of strip jobs and then turned most of the area into fields or where a tornado came through. R.S. Bodenhorn |
RE: Its a great day in PA
As for those estimated deer densities we have been over the fact that they are the least reliable deer estimated ever used. But, regardless of what those estimated deer densities have been expressed as it is obvious the deer haven’t allowed the habitat to be sustain or for even the deer to be sustained on that declining habitat. When you can explain why the habitat in 2F ,with worse regeneration than 2G ,can support almost twice as many deer as 2G , you might have a case. But until you can do that you are nothing more than a silly clown looking for attention. |
RE: Its a great day in PA
ORIGINAL: DennyF Did anyone mention that timber prices have dropped like a rock, or that a few of the timber cutters walked away from their PGC bids, because they'd lose money if they actually did their contracted SGL timbering? denny, DCNR plays same game. we had timber co.ready to cut dcnr timber and guess what the dcnr did, THEY GAVE OUT A LOWBALL FIGURE,ONE THAT NO TIMBER CO WOULD EVER CUT TREES FOR THAT AMOUNT. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,the TRICKS that are done.[:@] |
RE: Its a great day in PA
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 So you are once again claiming the professional deer managers of the agency you work for are ignorant buffoons who are using unreliable deer estimates to manage the herd. but , actually you are the ignorant buffoon for denying that harvest that exceeded recruitment are responsible for reducing the herd in 2g. When you can explain why the habitat in 2F ,with worse regeneration than 2G ,can support almost twice as many deer as 2G , you might have a case. But until you can do that you are nothing more than a silly clown looking for attention. Are you guys on permanent suicide watch or just over medicated into points of submission? [&:] |
RE: Its a great day in PA
If someone new is to visit this forum. No doubt,this is what impression they would get from most of the reply's! [/align][/align]
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RE: Its a great day in PA
Are you guys on permanent suicide watch or just over medicated into points of submission? [&:] |
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