RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Now blue...whenI cited the horrible weather in 2007 as having an impact, you dismissed it and said it didn't rain where you were. Now you cite that weather as having something to do with 2008 success. Which is it?

I almost forgot though...you were on the porch in 2007, so you weren't lying TECHNICALLY.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Thats an impressive load of bucks there Lost Horn. Do you know the story that goes with the pic? Where? When? etc etc?

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

I did not say it didn't rain where I hunted. We just didn't have the heavy steady rain they had in some areas. When we were discussing the reduced buck harvest in 2007 we were talking about the statewide number, rather than the harvest in 2G ,where the weather may have had a bigger impact.

However, if all those buck were from 2G, which has the lowest buck harvest rate in the state ,why aren't we seeing lots of pictures like that from 2B and 5C with much higher buck harvest rates?

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Yes Bluebird, you did completley dismsmiss the rain last year as being any factor whatsoever in either the buck or the doe kill. I agree that the doe kill caught up but that the buck kill was negatively affected simply because that big first couple of days never gets replicated and after the opener, the occasional hunter who does venture back out after the gun opener will most certainly take the firstdoe they see and not wait even for anotherfew hours for that buck. As you said, the 2008 report will reveal a lot.


Big truckload pics like that are unusual even in the best of areas and I can't speak for 5C,but there areplenty like that being harvested in 2B and 2D and plenty of pics floating around. So much so that many bucks that used to generate a ruckus when brought to the gun orbow shopdon't even get a second glance.

I can also say that the 2F bucks are vastly improved. It's now normal to see several very nice bucks in each issue of the Forest Press, atiny paper published in Tionesta PA, every season. Even in the heart of 2F, guys no longer simply describe a deer as an 8 pointer or a 10 pointer. Now when somenoe talks about a big buck, they'll often describe it the way folks in the big buck midwest do. Instead of simply saying it was a big 10, they'll say something like " I saw a 140" buck" I take that as a sign that the bar has been raised even in the ANF big woods

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

But why would they be unusual if ARs doubled the number of 2.5+ buck as Alt claimed. There should be lots of pics of gangs with 5 or 6 six big buck in a truck. Where are all the pics of the camp meat poles with all the big bucks hanging? Instead, what i am hearing are the reports of empty meat poles with very few deer sighted.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

First, it's been agreed over and over that Alt made a misrepresentation way back when AR started.Time to get over it and move on.

Truckload pics like thatare rare even in the best big buck counties of Illinoiswhere I hunt each year simply because situations rarely arise where a large number gets harvested within a short enough timeline that they all get put together for a photo.

The days of the deer laden meat pole in PA were fading away even before AR/HR. Gangs at camps have steadily gotten smaller and smaller.Even in the biggest deer camps in PA, most deer never make it to a meat pole any moresimply because people don't stay near as long as they used to. The deer never gets taken out of the back of the truck

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

There are still a lot of camps with 30-40 members that hunt the first 2 or 3 days and harvest 5-10 bucks those first 3 days and if they are lucky maybe one of those buck will equal one of those buck in the truck. therefore, the pic of the bucks in the truck is not representative of what most camps and most hunters are experiencing.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

There are still a lot of camps with 30-40 guys who hunt the first 3 days and kill 5-10 bucks and if they are lucky one of those buck might equal one of the bucks in the pic. The fact is the pic does not represent what most camps and most hunters are experiencing.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Exactly what part of

"Big truckload pics like that are unusual even in the best of areas"

didn't you understand the first two times I posted it? Thanks for proving once again that your only purpose for posting here is simply to perpetuate arguements.

Dead horses and BLAH BLAH BLAH are the only real responses you really deserve.

RE: Some nice bucks (pic)
 

Which means they should be rare or non-existent in poor areas like 2G. You can't have it both ways.

To add some perspective the those buck, if 60% of the 2.5+ buck harvested in 2007 were 8 pts,approx. one out of 32 hunters harvested an 8 +pt . 2.5+ buck. So a camp with 30 hunters would be lucky to harvest one ,2.5+ 8 pt. per season. In a poor area like 2G , it might average one 2.5+ 8 pt for every 50-60 hunters.