Not what I said at all. I said our average buck is better than it was. I never said that any age class including 2.5 has increased and I challenge you to produce even one quote where I said what you claim.

I also know of no such claim by RSB either and challenge you to produce anything form either of us where we said the rack size of any age class has increased

BTB, I understand that you believe the average buck is larger now compared to previously, but do you believe that there are more 2.5+ buck now than there was when we had a much larger herd but no ar?

I have noticed better antlers on bucks at camp, and believe it is due to recent logging activity and less Dpsm.

If you are saying that the 2.5+ buck produced by ARs are no bigger than the 2.5+ buck prior to ARs then we agree. But would you please explain how you know how the average buck is better, when the smaller 2.5+ buck are protected by AR?

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in my area 3c mountains we never had a abundence of large buck
I think i see more nice buck alive and at camps i think it is due to the first year buckbeing very smallspikes to 3 pts but after another year or so of growing they become nice without ar most people thought its a buck
kill it a basket 5pt or 3pt or a 4 inch spike
maybe its all in the hr i dislike and the deer having better food now
i dunno

That is exactly what I said and have said all along. No age classes have improved. That would be impossible or highly unlikely.

As for the answer to your second question, the evidence is everywhere. All you need to do to find it is toreread this thread. All will be answered. The reports from all over are simply undeniable. A methodolgy ws not instituted for proving exactly what the averge harvested buck rack is now vs then, but the overwhelming evidence from taxidermists, contests and yes, anectdotal evidence is too big to be ignored.

You really ought to stick to pounding on HR. At least you have some shredsto go on there

On that we can agree.
There is no doubt that the average buck harvested is bigger now than the average buck harvested prior to ARs , but that is only because the smaller bucks aren't AR legal. What i have been saying all along is that there is no evidence that ARs increased the rack size of the average 2.5+ buck and the PGC hasn't provided any data that shows rack sizes have increased or decreased.

We agree on that as well. So... you goin trout fishin this year?

finnaly we agree on that we may be gaining ground

Has there been any logging in your area recently?
When density is reduced, there is more browse for the remaining deer and antler development is influenced by nutrition. I do think logging helps more than HR ever could, however.