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Screamin Steel 02-10-2009 07:25 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 
As a side note, I was in the bow shop last night getting my Bowtech set up for a hog hunt, and I saw two Stryker crossbows go out the door. My bud said they are going so fast they can't keep the xbows in stock. Get ready for a crowded October boys and girls.

bawanajim 02-10-2009 07:38 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 
Do any of you own the private land you hunt on?

And if so will you allow x bow hunters to hunt? Or even friends whom want use an X-Bow?

And yes our local shop can't keep up with the demand right now.[:'(]

BTBowhunter 02-10-2009 07:47 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

That guy in the pic looks pretty young and healthy...let me guess, his shoulder bothers him? Not like it matters anyway, with the new regs.
A fair portion of Westmoreland County is within the 2B WMU and crossbows have been legal to all for a while now.


Bucks like the one in the photo are rare freaks of nature even in the very best habitat in the country. Rest assured that AR's did not directly produce that deer.

Is that deer that big purely because of AR's? Probably not. Does that deer represent the norm? Of course not. Did we have deer that big before AR? Yes of course. But do some 1.5 fork horns have the potential to grow this big? You betcha!



In the face of alot of research that supports the prospect of AR's producing high grading effects, we may be closing the door to more top end specimens like him in the future.
Have you read the research that concludes the opposite?

[quote ]A close friend has been raising large, captive deer for years, and his largest bucks...who incidentally scored very close to that monster non typical, always sported exceptional antlers (110"+) as yearlings, and began demostrating their non typical characteristics by age 2.5. [/quote]

Captive deer arent always a good indicator but since you brought them up, take a day and visit Double Diamond deer ranch on Rt 36 south of Cook Forest in Clarion County and look at the rack history of their deer. They have the sheds from each year of 20+ bucks in order on a wall. Some of them lived well past their prime years. Many of the truly exceptional bucks sported terribly small junk antlers their first year or even two and the yearlings that started with impressive racks didn't necessarily carry them through. A visit there is well worth the trip.


Pa will never be like Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconson or even Ohio. But we have improved the age structure and as a result, our average antler quality


But keep on praising our inferior AR system, even though there are so many better options out there that would increase age structure more effectively, and likely produce larger bucks within age classes.

Our AR system could be better. With 900,000 hunters it will always be a far less than perfect situation.We could make it better. No doubt. I'd support a spread restriction over a point count. What would you suggest we do statewide in PA?

explorer_Jack 02-10-2009 07:47 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

Do any of you own the private land you hunt on?

And if so will you allow x bow hunters to hunt? Or even friends whom want use an X-Bow?

And yes our local shop can't keep up with the demand right now.[:'(]
I wouldn't call you a friend if you didn't allowone to hunt your land with a legal weapon.[:'(]

explorer_Jack 02-10-2009 07:51 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

What would you suggest we do statewide in PA?
Quit buying a hunting license. Why? Because it doesn't matter what you want in PA. From the way you said you got screwed on the Xbow vote that the majority didn't want, It still ended up being passed. How do you think any suggestion is going to help change PA when your suggestions doesn't matter?:eek:I suggest stop buying a license.

BTBowhunter 02-10-2009 08:06 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack


ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

What would you suggest we do statewide in PA?
Quit buying a hunting license. Why? Because it doesn't matter what you want in PA. From the way you said you got screwed on the Xbow vote that the majority didn't want, It still ended up being passed. How do you think any suggestion is going to help change PA when your suggestions doesn't matter?:eek:I suggest stop buying a license.
All in favor of EJ not buying a PA license this year say Aye


AYE!!!

explorer_Jack 02-10-2009 08:09 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack


ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

What would you suggest we do statewide in PA?
Quit buying a hunting license. Why? Because it doesn't matter what you want in PA. From the way you said you got screwed on the Xbow vote that the majority didn't want, It still ended up being passed. How do you think any suggestion is going to help change PA when your suggestions doesn't matter?:eek:I suggest stop buying a license.
All in favor of EJ not buying a PA license this year say Aye


AYE!!!
I allready said I wasn't, But if you want I will vote with you and say Aye also. That is 2 that voted I shouldn't buy a license.

bawanajim 02-10-2009 08:14 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 
I was just thinking R.S.B.is likelyheart broken over just the thought.:eek:

BTBowhunter 02-10-2009 08:15 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

I allready said I wasn't, But if you want I will vote with you and say Aye also. That is 2 that voted I shouldn't buy a license.
I knew if we tried, we'd find some common ground

bluebird2 02-10-2009 08:26 AM

RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
 

quote:

In the face of alot of research that supports the prospect of AR's producing high grading effects, we may be closing the door to more top end specimens like him in the future.

Have you read the research that concludes the opposite?
Here are no studies that conclude the exact opposite. What they conclude is that there is no reason to cull 1.5 spikes. They also conclude that spikes are inferior for the rate of antler development and therefore they are concluding that protecting 1.5 spikes while harvesting the better buck will result in high grading and smaller average rack size.

What would you suggest we do statewide in PA?
Eliminate ARs!!!



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