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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
You sort of disagreed with him after the other hunters jumped all over him. Did you disagree before or after he felt his words were a little harsh? Had we been allowed to harvest more than one deer a season, back in the 50's and 60's, you and a lot of other hunters, wouldn't be hunting today. So go crawl back under your rock with RSB and do whatever it is you two do.  maybe not  When you do take a break, try and picture what hunting was like back then. Twenty some hunters driving deer on the first Saturday and usually not seeing one buck, half or less seeing a doe or two, yes we hunted, didn't sit in a tree and wait for someone else to put a deer into us. Twenty some hunters again in doe season and harvesting five to seven deer was a great first day. I recall having 21 hunters posted the first day of doe season, until we were going to start driving at nine, not one hunter had seen a deer. Uh, I was hunting then too. In the 60's anyway. We usually did a little better than that but thats how it was done back then. So what's your point? That groups were bigger then and people did more driving? So what! That you couldn't find many deer then either? OK, I believe that one. BTW, did your daddy and grandaddy teach you to poach and pass it on or did you just start the outlaw tradition with your son and grandson? It's time for you to grow up and start thinking for yourself. Do you also read palms and tarot cards? Havent seen any independent thoughts from you but maybe you need to buy some tarot cards to have one of your own? Of course, one of your Uninformed Silly People heros predicted that our deer herd would be below 50,000 animals by now. Maybe you ought to ask Jimmy boy Slimesky about the tarot cards and palms. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
The palm reading and tarot cards were addressed to RSB, once again you jump in to defend him and try to put the poster on the defensive, that really is getting old and you need to try something new.
Jim lives about five miles from where I was born and raised, never met the man. I had written to him twice, once to ask for a site to read up on hunting in PA. He told me about that PGC site, but warned me of the PGC plants. He had published an article in the local paper, a few years ago, about the herd getting thinned out. I sent him an e-mail that said, "you should tell the hunters to ease up on shooting the doe". He wrote back and said, "you know how it is the boys like to bring something home". I don't defend Bluebird or anyone else that keeps records and questions RSB's. My father taught me to have respect for people, unlike you and RSB, I have no respect for you or RSB, because neither of youshow respect to others, therefore you deserve non in return. I don't discuss my independent thought much lately, guess I'm still shell shocked from that PGC site, express a view and you have 20 PGC jumping all over you. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
I had once posted on that PGC site, that my father told me that years ago, they had stocked deer from another state in the Poconos and cut off the bucks horn to save them from breeding. RSB and people like you, jumped all over me and said they never stocked deer in PA. Finally, I think it was John S, said yes they did and also in the NC.
Another time on a discussion of the difference in weather in different parts of PA. I live in Lehigh County now, stated that when I croosed the Blue Mountain into Carbon County the temp decreased five degrees and when going into the Poconos it decreased another five degrees. You friend RSB, jumped all over me again, he said that was impossible and couldn't be true. Finally someone that was also from the area, confirmed what I said. That was the end of the Almight RSB, but don't ever expect him to admit he was wrong. The way I see it with you and your two buddies, RSB is using the three of you to try and get those that disagree with PGC into an argument to get thrown off this site. I'm happy to see the game plan isn't working and you look like a fool, with your white dead talking horse. I think your father spared the rod and ruined the child. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
ust because you don’t understand how wildlife populations are controlled by their habitat doesn’t mean other people more in touch with how nature really works don’t understand it. More and more hunters are becoming more educated about how the deer/habitat balance works so more and more hunters are shifting to my line of thinking all the time. The adult doe breeding rates, from the highway killed deer I have checked, for the same time five year time periods have also shown a great improvement of 84.4% adult doe being bred before antler restrictions to 98.0% being bred since. Also before antler restrictions it took over five months to get those adult does bred, but since antler restrictions that breeding window has declined to six weeks and even included the few juvenile doe that were bred. If breeding rates increased so dramatically in your district, can you explain why the PGC is not reporting the same increase in the vast majority of the WMUs? If that had happened ,the statewide breeding rates would not have decreased by 5% and you and the PGC wouldn't have to be hiding the breeding rate data for individual WMUs. The simple fact is HR and ARs didn't produce the predicted results and the PGC is scrambling to hide the results and make up excuses. The PGC is also hiding the data on the effects of ARs on rack sizes, both Miss., Ark. and WMU118 in Mich. released rack size data after 5 years of ARs . We have had 8 yrs. of ARs in PA and we still don't have any data. Obviously they are hiding something or the data would be used to justify a license fee increase. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
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The adult doe breeding rates, from the highway killed deer I have checked, for the same time five year time periods have also shown a great improvement of 84.4% adult doe being bred before antler restrictions to 98.0% being bred since. Also before antler restrictions it took over five months to get those adult does bred, but since antler restrictions that breeding window has declined to six weeks and even included the few juvenile doe that were bred. [/blockquote]RSB, is that your own compilation of data/ percentages or the summary of the official PGC data? If your district breeding rates are so high now, then you should forward that memo to the PGC so they can save face with the 5% decline overall. Your staement about the six week breeding window even for doe fawns would be hard to prove. Even in great habitat, doe fawns usually do not achieve sufficient weight to enter estrous until January.If the habitta in your are is as terrible as you claim, that would be quite a feat, indeed. try to keep track of your earlier B.S. comments from time to time to avoid looking like a fool. remember, you already stated that the habitat and predation is controlling the herd there, because the herd still exceeds the max cc according to you. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
ORIGINAL: R.S.B. ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Since you don’t seem to think unlimited antler less licenses can be a good thing for deer numbers perhaps you can explain how the areas of the state that have had unlimited license for close to two decades now have increasing deer populations even though their past five year average antler less harvest has been more then 4.5 times as high per square mile, city streets included, as it has been in unit 2G. And I can’t understand why anyone would fail to understand that it is that good habitat that allows that higher fawn higher recruitment in those areas with unlimited antler less harvests and that it is also the poor habitat that keeps the fawn recruitment so low hunters can’t harvest but a fifth the number of deer per square mile in those poor habitat areas. I can’t understand howany knowledgeable or logical thinking personwould fail to see that it is largely the years of attempting to carry too many deer that created that poor habitat in the areas of the state that can’t recruit more fawns even at such low deer harvests. Nor can I understand how anyone could fail to recognize that it is that continuous demand to keep trying to support way to many deer on that poor habitat that keeps preventing the habitat from recovering enough to one day have both higher harvests and better fawn recruitment. Just because you have never figured out how nature works or that the deer and habitat are not two separate issues doesn’t mean the professional resource managers haven’t learned those things. When left unchecked the deer numbers will control their habitat until it reaches the point that habitat also controls the deer numbers. Once the habitat is controlling the deer numbers there is only one way to fix the resulting low deer numbers and that is to harvest as many deer as possible until the habitat can recover enough to support more deer. That is the only thing that works. As long as hunters fail or refuse to either understand or accept that fact the deer numbers will never increase much or for long in the poor habitat areas. What is even worse is that we will continue to see more and more of those poor habitat and declining deer population areas until more hunters do understand and accept that message. R.S. Bodenhorn HERE IS WHERE I DONT AGREE WITH YOU.  you hear me all time saying,RSB WHY DOES SGL IN PA HAVE VERY FEW DEER ,IF ANY when the best habitatyou would ever see is in those SGL lands.' if good habitat produces lots of fawns and deer, then why dont you see many fawns, IF ANY on the SGL i hunt all accross the state of pa:eek: SGL is awful place to hunt |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
I don't defend Bluebird or anyone else that keeps records and questions RSB's. My father taught me to have respect for people, unlike you and RSB, I have no respect for you or RSB, because neither of youshow respect to others, therefore you deserve non in return. I don't discuss my independent thought much lately, guess I'm still shell shocked from that PGC site, express a view and you have 20 PGC jumping all over you. The way I see it with you and your two buddies, RSB is using the three of you to try and get those that disagree with PGC into an argument to get thrown off this site. I'm happy to see the game plan isn't working and you look like a fool, with your white dead talking horse. I think your father spared the rod and ruined the child. What IS most aggravating to most folks here, is that no thread is safe from Bluebird and company'sBS hijackings. Post a pic of a nice buck.... BB will post an anti AR rant. Post a message about CWD and BB will turn it into an arguement about HR. Ask about hunting a particular area? BB will tell you HR wiped it out. Crossbows? BB's contribution there was another AR/HR brouhaha. A thread about muzzleloader season? BB jumped in with AR/HR there too.Even guys from other states have complained about his hijackings. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
HERE IS WHERE I DONT AGREE WITH YOU. you hear me all time saying,RSB WHY DOES SGL IN PA HAVE VERY FEW DEER ,IF ANY when the best habitatyou would ever see is in those SGL lands.' if good habitat produces lots of fawns and deer, then why dont you see many fawns, IF ANY on the SGL i hunt all accross the state of pa:eek: SGL is awful place to hunt I'm sure there is some great hunting to be had on some gamelands, I just find it easier to go right on by and find other public ground that is far less crowded or better yet, private ground that's often better managed. The best hunting currently around my camp is mostly private groundbut it is open to all hunters, all seasons. There's still some great public spots but they're ANF, not SGL and the difference is hunting pressure. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
Not only are S.G.L. over hunted they are hunted from the same parking lots year after year.
One of the last years we hunted at camp we hunted a game lands toward the end of the season and we saw little or no deer,the next year we got a map of the area and walked in from the back side early before the first day. My wife and I both shot bucks before noon,bucks that were sneaking out the back side. You don't have to go way back, you have to go where others won't. |
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
wildlife management could be funded better with license increase IF the PGC/DCNR would increase the DPSM to what it is suppose to be, i think its 12 DPSM for clinton county, not sure on that.
right now, i feel DPSM in western clinton county is about 4 deer and i am being very generous on that . my results were developed from extensive reasearch:). i flew over each feeder:) |
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