How should Wildlife Management be funded?
02-01-2009 | 03:32 PM
#101
Nontypical Buck
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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
Alt's basic deer management plan is still in effect today and it set back deer hunting by over 30 years.
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can you back any of that up with facts bb or is that a opinion other than the bear and alt
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can you back any of that up with facts bb or is that a opinion other than the bear and alt
02-01-2009 | 04:08 PM
#103
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From: Central PA
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
R.S.B. You didn't mention the profit our game commission is making off the natural gas pipelines on "public" land. I have a question that nobody has given me a good answer to. It is this... If this is a "commonwealth" thenwhy aren't the profitsshared with the tax payers/license purchasers/Pa residentswhofund the purchasing of state game lands. Where is our royalty check from all natural gas lines, coal mining ops., timber sales, mineral excavations andnonresident license sales taking place on the land we the tax payers and license purchasers pay for. Ihonestly do not want a "royalty check" I want to see proof that theprofits made from the land went back into improving habitat responsibly and I will be completely satisfiedwith paying higher license prices.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
02-01-2009 | 07:44 PM
#104
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
The same jerk that lied like a rug to sell the current deer plan.
Just like BTB all you got is cheap shots. Never saw 80 deer a day, the max. I recall is 15 -20 with a lot of days with no deer sighted. besides ,it is not about me or any other individual hunter. It is about the best management of the resource, the future of deer hunting and the future of the PGC.
who was the bio that did the good job with the bears
its good to see you were happy at one point in time
when 80 deer a day run by you
when 80 deer a day run by you
02-01-2009 | 11:17 PM
#105
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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
R.S.B. You didn't mention the profit our game commission is making off the natural gas pipelines on "public" land. I have a question that nobody has given me a good answer to. It is this... If this is a "commonwealth" thenwhy aren't the profitsshared with the tax payers/license purchasers/Pa residentswhofund the purchasing of state game lands. Where is our royalty check from all natural gas lines, coal mining ops., timber sales, mineral excavations andnonresident license sales taking place on the land we the tax payers and license purchasers pay for. Ihonestly do not want a "royalty check" I want to see proof that theprofits made from the land went back into improving habitat responsibly and I will be completely satisfiedwith paying higher license prices.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
R.S.B. You didn't mention the profit our game commission is making off the natural gas pipelines on "public" land. I have a question that nobody has given me a good answer to. It is this... If this is a "commonwealth" thenwhy aren't the profitsshared with the tax payers/license purchasers/Pa residentswhofund the purchasing of state game lands. Where is our royalty check from all natural gas lines, coal mining ops., timber sales, mineral excavations andnonresident license sales taking place on the land we the tax payers and license purchasers pay for. Ihonestly do not want a "royalty check" I want to see proof that theprofits made from the land went back into improving habitat responsibly and I will be completely satisfiedwith paying higher license prices.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
Here is a link: http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?A=523&Q=173848
02-02-2009 | 03:33 AM
#106
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
Thanks, I have seen those reports but haven't seen how that money has been allocated, meaning= $ received from resources on Area A. % of $ from Area A went into habitat improvement in Area B, specifically what was that improvement and where is the location of the area improved?
I also haven't seen revenues from the natural gas lines which by itself could exceed current timber revenuesand coal combined.
The reason I want that info is because we have alot of coal and natural gas lines in my area and the habitat on the SGL's is very poor. If money is coming out of my back yard I want to see an improvement made in my back yard. Not 4 hours away near Pittsburgh using revenue made from my area while neglecting my area. Once the habitat is fair or Good the use the additionalrevenues to fix other areas that do not have the resources to fund their own land improvement.
I also haven't seen revenues from the natural gas lines which by itself could exceed current timber revenuesand coal combined.
The reason I want that info is because we have alot of coal and natural gas lines in my area and the habitat on the SGL's is very poor. If money is coming out of my back yard I want to see an improvement made in my back yard. Not 4 hours away near Pittsburgh using revenue made from my area while neglecting my area. Once the habitat is fair or Good the use the additionalrevenues to fix other areas that do not have the resources to fund their own land improvement.
02-02-2009 | 03:56 AM
#107
Nontypical Buck
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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
The reason the best recollection you recall is only 15-20 a day is probably the same reason you now see only 3 in a season and the same reason you are so bitter that you have resorted to the level of distortion you do. The reason is that you must absolutely suck as a hunter as well as in your level of deer knowledge.
1. Breeding rates decreased by 5% and you and RSB have no valid explanation, even though you may be great hunters.
2. The buck harvest decreased by 46% since ARs were implemented.
3. There is no valid evidence that rack sizes have increased.
4. Productivity has decreased along with the breeding rates and the PGC has no explanation.
5. WMUs 2F and 2G are rated the same for all criteria yet are being managed at much different DD and no one can explain why.
6. Forest health and herd health hasn't improved in 2F and 2G after more than 10 years of HR.
7. The PGC is still using population estimates to determine antlerless allocation ,while claiming they are based on herd and forest heath.
8. We are still harvesting almost twice as many antlerless deer than antlered ,which means we are still reducing the herd while the PGC claims the goal is to keep it stable.
9. There was never a problem with the B/D ratio as Alt claimed, which is why ARs didn't increase breeding rates.
10. The breeding window did not improve and we still have late born fawns just like before ARs were implemented.
11. The PGC is still issuing more antlerless tags than in 2001 when we had 1.6 M PD deer and the antlerless harvest reduced the herd by 8%.
02-02-2009 | 05:29 AM
#109
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RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
R.S.B. You didn't mention the profit our game commission is making off the natural gas pipelines on "public" land. I have a question that nobody has given me a good answer to. It is this... If this is a "commonwealth" thenwhy aren't the profitsshared with the tax payers/license purchasers/Pa residentswhofund the purchasing of state game lands. Where is our royalty check from all natural gas lines, coal mining ops., timber sales, mineral excavations andnonresident license sales taking place on the land we the tax payers and license purchasers pay for. Ihonestly do not want a "royalty check" I want to see proof that theprofits made from the land went back into improving habitat responsibly and I will be completely satisfiedwith paying higher license prices.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
R.S.B. You didn't mention the profit our game commission is making off the natural gas pipelines on "public" land. I have a question that nobody has given me a good answer to. It is this... If this is a "commonwealth" thenwhy aren't the profitsshared with the tax payers/license purchasers/Pa residentswhofund the purchasing of state game lands. Where is our royalty check from all natural gas lines, coal mining ops., timber sales, mineral excavations andnonresident license sales taking place on the land we the tax payers and license purchasers pay for. Ihonestly do not want a "royalty check" I want to see proof that theprofits made from the land went back into improving habitat responsibly and I will be completely satisfiedwith paying higher license prices.
My opinion is this... any and all profit made from taking resources from public lands should go 100% back into the same land from where it was taken for the purpose of habitat improvement. Is that what is happening??? What percentage went back into habitat directly from those revenues? We have numerous gas lines where I live and have seen no improvements made on that land in years.
In the last year how much money did the PAGC receive from
A. Natural Gas
B. Coal
C. Timber
Please be as specific as possible. Once you give me those numbers and can show the PaGC has been responsible with that money (removing my doubts) I will give you my suggestions on funding wildlife management.
This is probably what you are looking for.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=523&q=173302
Now go ahead and show us where they have been irresponsible with the money.
R.S. Bodenhorn
02-02-2009 | 06:42 AM
#110
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
RE: How should Wildlife Management be funded?
bluebird, i think RSB did say reason for few fawns is bad habitat.
but over last 3 years we had acorns all over place until this year and very mild winters.with very few fawns born.
as for horn size.
horns are BIGGER and AR is working somewhat but for it to work,,kids exemption must stop as too much illegal things are happening .it should be for 12 year old only then after that, he/she has to comply with the AR restriction.
but over last 3 years we had acorns all over place until this year and very mild winters.with very few fawns born.
as for horn size.
horns are BIGGER and AR is working somewhat but for it to work,,kids exemption must stop as too much illegal things are happening .it should be for 12 year old only then after that, he/she has to comply with the AR restriction.