Predators and deer
01-21-2009 | 11:25 AM
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RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Limited hunter access in 2B prevents hunters from harvesting enough doe to control the herd. AS a result the herd increases or remains stable at much higher densities than in 2G,which allows hunters to have a high sustainable harvest rate that is much higher than in 2G,where high doe harvests reduced the herd.
Explain to everyone how hunters can continuously harvest over 14 deer per square mile, year after year, around the city streets of Pittsburgh but the big woods unit of 2G can’t sustain harvests of more then 3 deer per square mile.
yet 5 miles away, land is private and my friend said he saw 125 deer there .but closed to public.
01-21-2009 | 12:02 PM
#82
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RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Limited hunter access in 2B prevents hunters from harvesting enough doe to control the herd. AS a result the herd increases or remains stable at much higher densities than in 2G,which allows hunters to have a high sustainable harvest rate that is much higher than in 2G,where high doe harvests reduced the herd.
Explain to everyone how hunters can continuously harvest over 14 deer per square mile, year after year, around the city streets of Pittsburgh but the big woods unit of 2G can’t sustain harvests of more then 3 deer per square mile.
How many deer was harvested from that area? They are trying like hell to lower the deer herd in the metro areas and are giving out outrages number of tags. Now the areas that have these large doe tags given out,Are these the areas that allow baiting of deer to draw the animals off of posted areas?
That was for the south eastern part of the state near philly.
Maybe this year they will promote this to the south western part of the state.
One more thing to ask, How in the world can the deer herd survive if the land wasn't posted when 59,000 tags was given out each year for how many years? No way does food supply have anything to do with it. It does not add up one bit. It is because of the limited acces as bluebird said.
01-21-2009 | 12:35 PM
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RE: Predators and deer
Is there another area that has so called good habitat as around the Pittsburgh area? And what are those numbers of deer harvested and the amount of doe tags given out for those areas for comparison?
01-21-2009 | 12:56 PM
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RE: Predators and deer
2006 Harvest Data and antlerless allocations expressed in DPSM
Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less
1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13
WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.
Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less
1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13
WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.
01-21-2009 | 01:05 PM
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RE: Predators and deer
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
2006 Harvest Data and antlerless allocations expressed in DPSM
Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less
1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13
WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.
2006 Harvest Data and antlerless allocations expressed in DPSM
Rank………WMU……..Ant’less……….Antler ed……….Total harvest……..lic/ant’less
1……………2B…………12.11………….4. 26…………….16.36……………..4.12
2……………2A………….9.39…………..4 .47…………….13.86……………..3.24
3……………2D………….8.20…………..4 .38…………….12.59……………..2.75
4……………5C………….7.42…………..3 .55…………….10.97……………..4.91
5……………1A………….7.15…………..3 .14…………….10.29……………..3.18
6……………2E…………..5.87………….. 4.28…………….10.15……………..2.84
7……………3A………….5.84…………..2 .98………………8.82……………..3.30
8……………1B………….5.67…………... 3.21……………...8.88……………..2.50
9……………4E………….5.19…………... 2.36……………...7.55……………..4.22
10…………..4C………….4.91…………..3 .37………………8.28……………..4.38
11…………..5D………….4.91…………..1 .56………………6.46……………..4.88
12…………..3B………….4.71…………..2 .89………………7.60……………..4.06
13…………..4A………….4.49…………..3 .40………………7.89……………..3.72
14…………..3C………….4.26…………..3 .10………………7.37……………..2.93
15…………..4B………….4.16…………..3 .15………………7.31……………..4.70
16…………..5B………….4.12…………..2 .53………………6.65……………..4.65
17…………..5A………….4.00…………..1 .69………………5.69……………..4.81
18…………..2C………….3.90…………..2 .90………………6.81……………..4.05
19…………..4D………….3.61…………..2 .48………………6.08……………..4.04
20…………..3D………….3.39…………..2 .29………………5.68……………..5.14
21…………..2F…………..3.32………….. 2.99………………6.31……………..3.50
22…………..2G………….1.12…………..1 .75………………2.87……………..4.13
WMU 5C has great habitat and more tags PSM than 2B , but lower harvest rates because we have a lot of ground that is open to hunting ,even though it might be posted.
01-21-2009 | 01:49 PM
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RE: Predators and deer
I don't disagree with that at all.That's why I laugh at all the belly aching.Seriously,some of you guys are hunting in areas that are harvesting more dpsm than we have.I have no problems finding plenty of deer to harveston public land in 2G.I can't believe some of you guys can cry about no deer.
01-21-2009 | 02:34 PM
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RE: Predators and deer
If you could have access to 90% of 2B to hunt. I promise you,With 59,000 doe tags handed out, That area would be like 2G. If there is so many deer in 2B,How can the habitat not be bad there when you have more deer than any other WMUs? At allowing over 60,000 doe tags for that WMU alone should tell you something. Do they have magic plants that regenerate after eating so fast that the deer population can not do enough damage to their habitat. Think about it for a moment. 60,000 tags and the habitat is in excellent condition. Hows that possible if there is that many deer that they can give out 60,000 tags a year for that WMU?